Battlefield 6 Aim Assist

The only way aim assist can be fair is if everyone gets aim assist.

Agreed, they were trying to do that with Marathon, but people got all weird about it. Halo Infinite tried some different things, still trying? Infinite flopped hard on PC because of the high aim assist for controller players in my opinion. There's no way to be competitive (consistently) using a mouse in that game. 

Giving mice some tracking would pull some of the bottom players up, making most regular players just a tad more consistent (especially with networking hiccups, frame drops, visual clutter, etc.), and probably would have ZERO impact for players at the top, 1.0% - 0.01%. 

Plus, values could always be tweaked. 

It is wild that this kind of automation is allowed in FPS games while 3rd party software that automates similar for PC isn't.  I knew 10 plus or whatever years ago when crossplay brought PC and consoles together in FPS games it would taint the experience and lead to what we are seeing.  Now that controller can be used with PC it allows even more exploits like using the accessibility features to remove recoil and overtune the aim locking.  Weird thing is most the community is fine with it.  I don't even care if people use real aimbot software because that is the precedent that was set.  Automation to aim is the standard. 

My only hope is that EA doesn't botch the next BF so we can get full games without needing to check the crossplay box and community run servers don't allow controller.

Good post RaginSam​ ! Glad someone else is speaking up about these legit concerns for the next BF game, and I hope more will do the same. Maybe you should also post this on the Battlefield sub-Reddit to gain more attention. I promise you, there are many others who feel the same.

I love Battlefield games and want to see them be successful. I've played them all except Hardline and that space one, 2142. I even played the free one until it shut down. That's over 20 years of playing these games! I think I've given EA and Dice enough money over the years to be able to voice my concerns and criticisms.

I was recently talking about this with some of my BF friends who fear the same for the next BF game. I ONLY play Battlefield, but they say COD and some of the other FPS games have been ruined due to aim assist being so crazy OP, and we're truly afraid Battlefield will end up the same way. You're already seeing it somewhat in BF 2042. I've posted this in the past, and I'll say it again, and again, and again. If Dice has to give console players special treatment to help them compete with PC players, then why even have cross-play with PC to begin with? When you give one player base 'features' that assist them in any way, you're basically giving them legalized cheats. And let's be real here, that's exactly what it is: a legalized cheat. And I don't care what the reasoning is, that's unfair to PC players. Some may say it's not as OP as you think, or that it doesn't really help much, but I say that's not the point. If it's there for you, and you're using it, it's a cheat. And we don't call that a skill, we call that cheating! If Dice keeps those special 'features' strictly between the console platforms, then cool. Let them have at it. Just don't allow all that ridiculous nonsense (aim assist, less recoil, and whatever the hell else they get) against PC players. If console players get M&K support, which I hope they do, then that's all they should get. No special 'features' of any kind because they play on inferior hardware. Dice needs to make the game fair, and I guess to do that, it should be input-based matchmaking. But that may not be foolproof either, as some may find ways to work around that, I suppose. And if so, a ban should be in order. 

I personally do not care about cross-play due to the network-related issues it causes in BF 2042. I prefer BF to go back to its roots and separate PC players from console players and let them play against each other. I even have a few close console friends who feel the same, except they simply don't like playing against PC players. It has worked for all previous Battlefield games, and if the game is good, filling servers won't be an issue without cross-play with PC. I understand some may want to play with friends who play on different platforms, and I totally get that, but if cross-play causes the game to run poorly, then it would be best not to have it in the next BF.

And the several leaks that I have seen of the new BF game were all on consoles. I haven't seen a single leak that was on PC. Not to say there haven't been any, just that I haven't personally seen them. After realizing this, one can't help but wonder if they are getting mostly console players in on these playtests, and if so, why? Maybe it's a good thing, if so.

The share of the population playing on home game consoles is overwhelmingly larger. Also, it is difficult to ADS (peak) accurately with an analog stick. Assist is also necessary for beginners. Mouse can be operated intuitively. This cannot be done with a pad. Good players turn off assist. There are games that support cross-play and do not have assist.

I'm sure playing an FPS game with a controller is difficult at first, as a M&K was for me when I first started playing FPS games on PC. That was a hilarious time for me. I almost gave up. I think learning Chinese would've been easier for me at that time. 😁 It took me some time, but I adjusted. There was no artificial assisting in anyway. Same should be possible with a controller, I would think. It just may take some difficult playing time to learn. But some don't want to do that, they want to be assisted, unfortunately.

I have a similar background with the BF franchise as you.  It is hard to see it devolve to a low skill ceiling for controller users.  PC players use controllers to specifically use the features nefariously now.  The Community is the best police, even over cheat software.  We need to get back to the time when the community controlled the vast majority of great servers to play on.  

A lot to unpack in just a few sentences lol. 

No good player is turning off their aim assist. None. Zero. Every sweaty try hard player I've seen try to do that for a video, they end up struggling to get kills in whatever game they're playing. They still have the game knowledge down, movement, all the other aspects of the game, which is a big part of shooters, but then aiming they struggle. They put it back on, boom, they're beaming everyone again. 

Weird argument for beginners, anyone new to FPS games is going to massively struggle with any input. A mouse might be more intuitive, because it's the better tool for aiming, but what about the other hand? I grew up on Console and switched to PC about 15 years ago, using a keyboard was not intuitive, nor was it an easy switch because of it. 

What about good players with assist then? Same thing could be applied to mouse users. Not all of us can aim like Shroud, so should we get assist then? Since all the metrics for assist seemed to be balanced from the top down? 

Modern players using a controller look like MnK players. There's times it takes me a minute or two to figure out if a decent player is on a mouse or controller while spectating, or watching a clip. A good player, it's nearly indistinguishable at times. They can do all the same movement a MnK player can do. Being able to move a mouse quickly doesn't make you more accurate, in fact, it's usually the very opposite. If I'm off by a single pixel on a mouse, I miss. If I don't track perfectly, the aim assisted controller player will always miss less shots. 

I'm not sure what the numbers are for Console versus PC, I'm not sure it's vastly different, but that's also due to a few factors because of Dice dropping the ball on the PC market. It could gain popularity on PC again, and it should be in the top 10 spots of Steam effortlessly. I made that a point in my OP, PC players don't need crossplay. Giving controller players assist encourages more people to use them over MnK because it's now a lot easier to be consistent. 

I could write a literal novel on why this whole thing is absolutely ridiculous, but controller players will never concede on any point. That's why the real solution is separating Console from PC players, at least by default. If Portal is going to be a thing, then maybe it should be an option to join each other, but not by default. 

I hope Dice will simply allow anyone (console and PC players) to play with whatever peripherals they want to play with, but there should be no aim assist, less recoil, or any other artificial assistance to ANYONE because they choose to use a controller. If you want to use a controller, fine, but you should not be given special treatment for doing so. Honestly, I can’t believe we even need to have this discussion. Some will say M&K players have an unfair advantage over controller players. I say to those, then use a M&K. And some will say PC players have an unfair advantage because they can play at higher refresh rates. Again, I say to those, then upgrade to a PC to enjoy all these great advantages you speak of. It’s really that simple. 

This thread got buried by banned posts, holy cow.

The fact that any amount of automation is allowed based on the input device you use is a travesty concerning the competitive FPS genre.  It is such a joke that human input isn't the only factor for playing FPS games.  There won't be any change for the better here for us who are critical of this.  The only hope is for clan/community run servers and a big enough PC population playing the game we can not need to check the crossplay box.