NO 3D-spotting!
That is all, just get rid of 3D-spotting completely. The worst thing from BF3 / BF4 times were the gun attachments that autospott enemy players. Battlefield 5 did a good first step away from 3d-spotting and I really hope BF6 will do the final step and remove it completely from the game.
@Skill4Reel wrote:Edit: Also I am curious why DICE implemented 3D spotting into this series from the beginning. If they have said why in the past. Then someone please refresh my memory. I am just curious what the original reason was for 3D spotting being in Battlefield. Maybe a developer can answer this question.
3D spotting first debuted in BF2142 and believe me it was a huge leap forward from the old audio spotting system where you were driven absolutely mad by "ENEMY BOAT SPOTTED" 150 times in a row. It literally was a constant barrage of audio spot reports over and over and over on a busy server.
Tracking 3D marker on top of head and on 2D minimap or last known location and active spotting from recon tools? That's where I would draw line if there's no separation. If there's separate experiences then go for both extremes and make middle ground options available on community servers. I feel that both core and hardcore are too extreme ends of spotting but I tend to play core.
Actual BF2 had 3D markers.
https://imgur.com/gallery/k7M5Knh
It was much more effective dew to lack of clutter and colourisation of maps.
Note: the target is only passive 3D spotted at the time as not yet spotted on the minimap.
@Teal_Pipo_Fredo wrote:Tracking 3D marker on top of head and on 2D minimap or last known location and active spotting from recon tools? That's where I would draw line if there's no separation. If there's separate experiences then go for both extremes and make middle ground options available on community servers. I feel that both core and hardcore are too extreme ends of spotting but I tend to play core.
Pre BFV I was often ranting about how people do not spot enemies enough for their team.
In BF3/4/1 there was only 3D+2D spotting from active Q button spotting and 2D only spotting from recon tools as well as from firing the guns.
You guys can play "hardcore" mode for PROs lol
@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:
@Teal_Pipo_Fredo wrote:Tracking 3D marker on top of head and on 2D minimap or last known location and active spotting from recon tools? That's where I would draw line if there's no separation. If there's separate experiences then go for both extremes and make middle ground options available on community servers. I feel that both core and hardcore are too extreme ends of spotting but I tend to play core.
Pre BFV I was often ranting about how people do not spot enemies enough for their team.
In BF3/4/1 there was only 3D+2D spotting from active Q button spotting and 2D only spotting from recon tools as well as from firing the guns.
Exactly right @UP_Hawxxeye ,
Certainly on console the trouble was often that we even lacked friendlies who cared to help spotting enemies in core mode!
Only the carbines in BF4 with the Auto Detector accessory was overpowered in this regard, (though think it only worked when ADS?)
Maybe on PC, with all their hacker accessories, with full all-on auto spotting scripts they had the problem with aka the entire Locker map lit up as a Christmas tree full of shining Doritos? :o)
Well, I guess being wrong about spotting. Well, yes I am because I am living up in my heads.
Exactly right @UP_Hawxxeye ,
Certainly on console the trouble was often that we even lacked friendlies who cared to help spotting enemies in core mode!
Only the carbines in BF4 with the Auto Detector accessory was overpowered in this regard, (though think it only worked when ADS?)
Maybe on PC, with all their hacker accessories, with full all-on auto spotting scripts they had the problem with aka the entire Locker map lit up as a Christmas tree full of shining Doritos? :o
I was playing BF4 on PC and I do not remember anything of the sort.
The only prominent spotting in such cramped clusterflaks in BF4 was the motion sensors that were 2D only, working in pulses and only detected moving people. Audio spotting too. Same with gun audio spotting.
I think BF1 handled audio spotting the best by just having a vague direction indicator of the origin of the gunfire.
For me, BF1 had about the right level of spotting. Chris Battle nonsense did a canny vid on the subject during BF4 where the dorito disappereaed within a certain ADS cone which I liked.
I'll see if I can find it, wait out.......
