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@CAPTA1N-117 I would have to respectfully disagree with a few of your points and I'll explain why so it may help give you another perspective to look at.
"I know some here will say otherwise to this idea, but let’s face it: stats only bring the most toxic people (Call of Duty squeakers), and troll you round if you’re stars are better."
Trolls unfortunately are inevitable and while yes some players may try and specifically target those at the top of the score board, I would say majority just troll whoever happens to be in their line of site at the time. For example, some of the highest K/D players in BF3 & BF4 were pilots, yet the most popular way people trolled others was to cover a jeep with C4 and drive into tanks, score and stats had nothing to do with it. Another example in BFV would be lately people have been stealing the landing craft in Pacific storm and driving it to the US carriers to Flieger the planes taking off, again stats/score wouldn't even be a factor for doing it...they do it simply to annoy people.
"i think stats should be an option where you can play a game mode, either with others (but can gave your stats not record for casual gameplay), or a separate game mode where you can play casually like a good 90% of us play."
This sounds like you're opting for a ranked gameplay system that only places you in matches with people of similar score/rank. A system like this would require a stat method of recording so as to create these ranked matches, otherwise it wouldn't have any change to what we're currently experiencing by entering a game with different caliber of player and skill sets. Another thing to consider is people who troll are at all levels of rank so having ranked games wont eliminate them and as many trolls don't care about their stats, they will likely end up in lower ranked games due to having bad stats and so you've now just unloaded every new player with a plethora of trolls to deal with while the high tier ranked players will have very few.
"Stats are also n irrelevant thing, because any seasoned gamer will know at stats don’t mean anything to player skill. You can kill a 100 noobs, and have 100K/Dr, and then lose everything because of a better player."
Stats have a number of valid reasons and many seasoned players would disagree that they are irrelevant. I myself am currently in the number 1 spot for pilots on Xbox worldwide and I personally know the number 1 tanker and number 1 repairer. I also know everyone in the top 15 give or take and we use the scoreboard to compete against each other but you'll find that many people over the leaderboards are using their stats to compete with one another in a friendly manner. While some highly skilled players have low stats due to only commenting against each other in private matches and so have very few kills per round, these are the extreme minority of players, just as a minority of players don't care about stats at all and play many games just for fun win or lose. However I would be confident saying the majority of the player base (the casual gamers you talk about) would absolutely use stats to keep track of their progress against others on their platform and region.
"if at worst; a weekly K/Dr, and W/Lr stats.Where each week your stats reset, giving you a truly unique way of judging if you’re improving or need to improve in areas. That would be a truly brilliant way to do something new to stats giving them an actual use...unlike what it’s being for like the past 10 years now where it’s fully irrelevant."
What you've presented here does already exist to some degree. By looking at your profile on https://battlefieldtracker.com/ you can have an overview of the last 6 days of your PVP and Score per min statistics. This can show if you're improving, having a bad week, having a good week, etc. The overall stats from the beginning of your game play career for that game is relevant as after sometime you will begin to plateau with minor increases/decreases in score as you will have a much larger sample size to measure against and so your 100 kills with 0 deaths won't effect your score all that much in comparison to the much larger K/D score you have accumulated. This will also help distinguish out of the main player base who are the more skilled players as their score wont be from 1 or 2 games which they may have gotten lucky in.
For example, I currently have a K/D of 7.79 (58,620 kills, 7,524 deaths) now my score of 7.79 would actually not be a proper representation of my air combat ability as my average score for the ground is about 1.20 (6,406 kills in total) and tanking is about 6.20 (4,971) if you were to remove my deaths from playing infantry/tanker (around 6,000 deaths) my K/D based solely on my Pilot score of 47,472 kills and roughly 1,524 deaths would equal a K/D of 31.14 (which is usually my K/D in each game). Without the leaderboard and statistics I wouldn't be able to work that out and I know many wont go to that sort of level but when I'm competing with other high tier players, it's important to know the competition making it very relevant.
I know this was slightly dragged out longer than I had liked, I'm hoping that perhaps I have help bring you a new perspective of how I believe (and many people I know believe) the importance of permanent statistics, how they can help show you where you need improvement, where you fit in the player skill spectrum and also who your main competition is 🙂
- 6 years ago
I agree & disagree with the stats. Yes, some people use them, but they aren’t a way to judge your skill as you can play many game against ransoms & then get destroyed by competitive players the next few games, so stats are in that aspect meaningless fully. What my post is about, is giving you that option of recording stats, or not. It should be an option as I wasn’t referring to trolls. I’ve been literally, followed from game to game by these players because of my stats, and had message
s because of it.
you like stats so that’s great, but the majority actually don’t. If you ask most people at aren’t in the top 1.000 in leaderboards, don’t pay attention. I’ve been number 1 in a lot of games, but even then, it doesn’t mean the best as it’s just a conglomeration of everything you’ve done. Kills, wins, score. You could lose a million, but if you have more wins you’re still gonna be high up.
i made a point back in black ops 3. I was number one for 4 months for kills, and I intentionally went negative & was number 1 because of the higher kills. a lot don’t
pay attention to them. I was number one in RDR for nearly 8 months. 4 in MW3. In the top 30 BF3-4. 9th in BO2, and in the 13 years of gaming, the majority I’ve met don’t care, but like I said, it should be your choice because I’ve heard so many conversations in bf V talking trash because another guy had low stats at level 100, yet did better then most on both teams. I’ve joined games half way through yet it counts as a loss because I joined a team getting destroyed by 4 guys tank camping a spawn point.
good job though being number 1. I know it takes a ridiculous amount of time each day & that’s some good dedication. Hope you stay at the number spot.
stats need to made into an option. If you wanna keep them good, but it should be a choice if you just want to have fun for an hour or two because it’s a game.
the weekly stat rest you mentioned: I’ve played every battlefield since bad company, but my stats only change after the past 5 privous games not weekly. Maybe that’s a bug, but it’s never been weekly on any game I’ve ever played.
My 100 kills to 0 deaths was just an example. You took it out of context it was meant for. My meaning was people at get 50+ kills a game for maybe 1-5 deaths means nothing. You’ll have a good score/kd, but means nothing because you could of just played fandoms. That was what I was meaning. Hence why stats aren’t good to judge because it’s not based on skill. The new MW has a good SKBMM, but it’s getting changed I think with how many are complaining about something that’s actually good. I see the point you’re making though, but hopefully you can understand what I mean though.
thats a good kill to death. How many games is that with?
I know my idea about stats being a choice isn’t popular, but it would be a choice weather you’re hardcore into stars, or just want to play casual as I play solo only.
i like stats being part of games don’t get me wrong. It is nice to see, but at the same point: I’ve always wanted a way to turn them off because I just wanna enjoy the game without the worry of messing them up. I know that’ll sound ridiculous of my post, but I hope you & anyone reading this will get what I mean though.
sorry about the message being short. It’s 05:46am here in uk. I respect your opinion though.
ps. Please don’t take anything I’ve said to offence as I was just talking about how I feel towards stats. I’m sorry if anything was taken to
- 6 years ago
@CAPTA1N-117 I'm not offended by what you said and I can relate to what you said about people following you through maps specifically to mess with you, especially if it's due to being stat related.
After I completed the DICE BFV aerial challenge issued by Jeff Braddock and Dan Mitre (Retired Global Community Manager), I had multiple join my games just to steal the planes, go on the other team and try ram me all game, etc all so they could troll.
However stats aren't the only thing that attracts trolls or people from going into matches that simply want to harass you or spam you with questions, friend invites, etc. Notoriety gains far more traction than statistics and the best suggestion I can give you is the one that you'll find most Youtubers like, Jack Frags, Modest Pelican, Westie, Niccaman, etc use is to simply set your profile to offline. People the wont be able to follow you into servers as they wont know which one you're in. Yes you'll occasionally get unlucky and land in a server with these people from time to time but the moment you switch servers, they've lost you again.
Hopefully this resolves your issue or at least alleviates the problem to some degree, as from what I've taken from your concern isn't so much the stats themselves but the less desirable types of people that get drawn to them, that will actively seek you out as they clearly have nothing better to do than harass others for their own amusement. Again we can't even begin to imagine what someone like Jack Frags, LevelCap, Westie or Niccaman have to deal with and I doubt they'd ever talk about it because the moment they complain about trolls, it'll be like attracting moths to a flame