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Re: Game Balance and Matchmaking - We want your feedback!

Its really shocking to see people actually defending the gameplay mechanic. Okay. what do i do when all my units are level 7-8 and when an opponent sends in a level 11 rifelman? thats 10 tiberium he invested. so i dont go barracks okay. already im on the backfoot and reacting to a strategy my opponent did. not to mention i had to wait a while to actually see what starting unit he went but nvm that lets move on. ill start with helipad or war factory and bring out a rhino or a talon. well he sent in 2 level 11 rockets and guess what. the rocket beats the rhino and talon. so im already abt 80-100 tiberium down with still not enough items to counter his 40 50 tiberium worth of units.

No its not always about counters. Its stupid to see my lvl7 40 tiberuim shocks get destroyed by a lvl11 10 tiberium rifelmen.

What these amazing videos and tutorials dont teach u is how to play against a player thats atleast 2 or levels above u.  
Unit leveling system is absolute trash and nothing but a P2W model. and its amazing how 50% of the time its not even a challenge battle. like the so called 'rivals fair play' mechanic goes to sleep when im versing lvl 11-13 units when all of mine are 7-8. 

And i think i can qualify my remarks and know what im talking abt cuz im a rank 20 player with no unit above level 8 and most at 7 and still in the masters league 2. So i dont need players to tell me to improve my game when im only a few points off of the tiberium league while still without most of the OP units in the game.

And okkay. ill take ur argument for a second. if its like a sports league that i make it out of the lowers ones and ill naturally have a hard time fighting the top players but what should i do then? EA should recognize me leaving the lower leagues so quickly and reward me and other player alike with enough credit to upgrade our units to atleast get close to them not a couple of lousy rare crates that dont do enough. What option do i have now? what do u suggest i do versing 3-4 levels above me? keep losing and earn credit at the speed of 1 upgrade a month? nope. so i pay? well theres ur answer and what EA wants u to do. no wonder its the most hated company in America. P.s When teams get promoted in sports leagues, they are offered a much much higher sum of money for being in that league not to mention the rewards they get for being promoted. 100 Million pounds when u get promoted to the premier league. thats more than the budget of over half the teams in the league. since u felt so comfortable with sports metaphors. complete them next time.


Its NOT all about counters. EA cud give u a deck of 20 units and a decent player that has units >2lvls above u will still ALWAYS beat u let alone with a normal deck barring silly mistakes. that makes playing the game absolutely toxic. And it wouldve been okay if this was a once in a 3 or 4 battles thing. BUT ive been on a probably 20 30 game losing streak simply because im versing units 3 or 4 levels above me. its my 4th day in the game and ive already stopped playing. Such is the state of this P2W model.

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  • I do defend the ladder system because if you have level 7-8 units and you are in masters while you havent payed a dime. This game can be played without money. The fact that you have level 7s-8s and you are in masters proves that. But dont be mistaken. If you dont pay anything you dont have the right to demand anything from the devs. They are people that worked hard to create this product. And they gave you a choice. You can play the game as f2p and have a really hard time after a while, or pay and make it easier for you. I dont know why you make demands while you dont support the devs work. Its like you would go drink free coffe in a shop and you demand that the coffe is the best in the world. You can make suggestions for sure. But saying their work is trash is too much i think. About the levels its all about the right counters and your quick decision making. You can beat opponents at -3 levels. Now if you are in masters with level 7s-8s and you complain about levels you are wrong. The level cap at masters is 13 max training. There is a reason you cant go higher right now. You did everything you could with the levels you had and now you just have to level up your units a bit. No one said that because you have the skill you will beat opponents that have +4 and +5 levels. But you can stay there for 2 seasons as a f2p player, level up your units and practice your skill against +2 and +3 levels. You might not like it but in order to go high without paying you need patience.


  • Not true. Here’s living proof of that. Ignore the weird graphics. It’s a problem with IOS13 beta.

    I’m facing units 2 and 3 levels above mine. I won because I used the right counters. I used pitbulls against rhinos. Rifleman and shockwaves against missileman. Orca against rhino.

    I kept charging the missile at all times forcing him to keep building cheap units and not go to tech units.


    https://youtu.be/HcxdDazFkmI
  • Salman_93MK's avatar
    Salman_93MK
    6 years ago

    lol ur actually justfying it using 1 game? do u realize the concept of sample sizing? im in masters league 2 and lvl 20 because i beat one guy every now and then too. im talking abt the majority. And in that game, the 'right counters' didnt win u the game. the nob on the otherside had poor micro not to mention the decision to go a second harvester when hes lost the entire map and conceded a launch. Also that brilliant move on his part to go 2 tech buildings in the opening. like i said. any half decent opponent will ALWAYS beat u.

  • Salman_93MK's avatar
    Salman_93MK
    6 years ago
    @pontiki123451 Maybe do what PUBG did? they have massive income despite being F2P but theyre not P2W are they? the game starts equal for everyone whether ur level 1 or 100. Gameplay should never be affected by premium items. U can buy fancy stuff and camos and different items but none of it interferes with actual gameplay.
    And no i didnt say their work is trash. i said the P2W model is trash and toxic. it simply means a player cud download this game rn, spend 200 pounds and instantly become better than me. thats P2W. and thats BS.
  • @Salman_93MKI'm in Masters too. Sometimes I make it to Masters 2 and sometimes I get pushed back to the beginning of 3. Look at how low my units are. 7 and 8's. How do you think I got here. No tech either.

  • pontiki123451's avatar
    pontiki123451
    6 years ago

    Well now tech decks will be good. So i dont know how the game will change. Decks that have 2 buildings and a tech lab will open tech lab for 90tb if they open their other 2 building before. Players that use 3 buildings and a tech lab will now open tech lab for 60tb if they open the other buildings before. We'll have to wait and see. Honestly i believe this is a good change because tech might actually be usefull in the game. Devs said that they will balance tech units that might seem op. They want tech to actually be viable in higher leagues like tiberium league. 

  • EinarThePillager's avatar
    EinarThePillager
    Seasoned Ace
    6 years ago

    @pontiki123451 wrote:

    Well now tech decks will be good. So i dont know how the game will change. Decks that have 2 buildings and a tech lab will open tech lab for 90tb if they open their other 2 building before. Players that use 3 buildings and a tech lab will now open tech lab for 60tb if they open the other buildings before. We'll have to wait and see. Honestly i believe this is a good change because tech might actually be usefull in the game. Devs said that they will balance tech units that might seem op. They want tech to actually be viable in higher leagues like tiberium league. 


    I just hope that its just as easy to defeat tech in the first place. The changes I got confused at first; is there an official change log to this? I would want to read this personally. I was offline from the game for at least 5 days. I will be playing again tomorrow.

  • pontiki123451's avatar
    pontiki123451
    6 years ago

    @EinarThePillagerThe changes have been sent to you by an ingame message. I dont think that tech will be countered in the same way that it was countered before. Some tech units got very good buffs. Zones/cyborgs are now the best units imo apart from mammoth. The attack speed increase made them extremely efficient (they did nerf dps but they buffed attack speed a lot so its a buff in the end). Also i am interested to see how woolverines now work. They got a vehicle attack buff. I hope they dont destroy absolutely destroy attack bikes again. We had that before and it was ridiculous. A woolverine just countered both air and ground and combined with zones it was unbeatable.

  • punishertrd's avatar
    punishertrd
    6 years ago

    put the game back to where is was in the beginning right after launch it would be better 

    all of these changes isnt that great or good also you need to lower the skin price 800 dims is waaaay too much for 7-8 USD

  • punishertrd's avatar
    punishertrd
    6 years ago
    slow the damn mammoth down its ways too fast and health too can even kill it with 2 rockets and 2 pitbulls
  • KelinDrawn's avatar
    KelinDrawn
    6 years ago

    Try two tanks attacking at once with an level advantage. Or an Orca/Mohawk.

  • @punishertrd Well mammoth shouldnt be countered by ground units that are not tech. Tech units like kodiak and titans can deal with it. If you dont want tech you can use anti vehicle air units.
  • EinarThePillager's avatar
    EinarThePillager
    Seasoned Ace
    6 years ago

    @pontiki123451 wrote:
    @punishertrdWell mammoth shouldnt be countered by ground units that are not tech. Tech units like kodiak and titans can deal with it. If you dont want tech you can use anti vehicle air units.

    Could a grenadier protected by a predator tank win? What I mean by protected is that the predator tank blocks the mammoth from trying to crush the grenadier. You'll have to destroy the predator before you can squish the grenadier.

  • pontiki123451's avatar
    pontiki123451
    6 years ago

    I have never tried that. But even if you were microing the predator inside the grenadiers, the mammoth has so much health that i think it would just kill the predator and crush the grenadiers anyway. I havent tested that but maybe 2 grenadiers with a predator going in and out to block would be better. Though you can avoid all of this trouble if you just use orca, mohawk,borca or a tech unit like kodiak or titan. The predator inside the grens seems like too much trouble and it forces you to play both grens and predator in one deck which is bad imo.

  • s70ABlackHawk's avatar
    s70ABlackHawk
    6 years ago

    The biggest thing that bugs me about the game balance at the moment which EA hasn’t thought about it, or cater for, us starting a new deck. Because you start with low Tiers you can’t just use them straight out because the current league you’re in requires you to have more than just skill. Because even 1 Tier higher difference can mean the difference is in a players favour to win. 

    So to start a new deck you must level up all the units before trying them out in your current league. You can’t downgrade from a league. So using this low deck is frustrating and forces players to throw an entire season or just play their normal deck until new one equivalent tier. 

    I guess we have to suck it up and just level them up and perhaps after another 3 months be competitive with them or pay to win model to make this less time. Which is the point of a freemium model. As discussed, this isn’t a P2W game. 

  • pontiki123451's avatar
    pontiki123451
    6 years ago
    @s70ABlackHawk You can win with -3 levels. Its about skill. I know levels suck. They dont have anything to do with skill. But you can use units that are at low levels.
  • s70ABlackHawk's avatar
    s70ABlackHawk
    6 years ago

    @pontiki123451 wrote:
    @s70ABlackHawkYou can win with -3 levels. Its about skill. I know levels suck. They dont have anything to do with skill. But you can use units that are at low levels.

    Yes and I’ve done it. But you can’t do it consistently to level up to your highest league again. You will reach the equilibrium point at which skill no longer applies. But for those players who can consistently win 3 tiers lower, they deserve to be in the higher leagues. As an average player in Masters league. I don’t belong their because I always win 2-3 tiers higher. 

  • pontiki123451's avatar
    pontiki123451
    6 years ago
    @s70ABlackHawk I was where you are now. If you continue to win with your skill you will reach high tiberium league one day. But it needs time. It took me 2-3 seasons to go from where you are into top 100 with gdi. You'll see. The more you do it the easier it becomes. Also after that you dont care about levels except if you get players with +4 and + 5.
  • punishertrd's avatar
    punishertrd
    6 years ago

    all costs across the board needs to come down quite abit if your wanting F2P players to spend a little bit of money bc 600-800 for premo and skins is way too much to charge for no real tangable stuff and your surprise mechanics are not that great either.  whats EAs plan when loot crates are banned??   is the game going to die out or are you going to give players a game they deserve?? 

  • @punishertrd Loot crates banned? If you are talking about the change into the daily rewards instead of crates i believe that this favours the free to play players. Because now you can get 900 diamonds instead of mixed crates that give you cards you dont really use. This means that you can spend 600 for a premium track in events if you are good at the game and get some extra rewards like clonning labs and credits. Or by bying thr vault. If you want your mixed crate cards back judt go ahead and open the vault. I believe this is a great change and that it will help a lot of players. Also you dont deserve a game as a free to play player just because you play it. Remember that. If you play the game consistently and dont support it i dont think that you deserve anything from the devs. You should be gratefull that they give you the opportunity to get so many diamonds each month just because you play the game. Other developers wouldnt give you this opportunity. So wait and see how it goes instead of complaining.
  • s70ABlackHawk's avatar
    s70ABlackHawk
    6 years ago
    @pontiki123451 This is on point. People * and moan about all this but you don’t need to spend a cent to enjoy the game and pay the devs who actually need to earn a living off making computer games SMH. EA are actually very generous in this respects. No ads, can get every card in the game for free. Just have to be patient. Very very patient. And they have no right to complain. Although some aspects which are in tech issues threads are legit. Like network errors etc... but that could still be user end. Jury is still out on that one.
  • punishertrd's avatar
    punishertrd
    6 years ago
    @pontiki123451 ive been here from day 1 prelaunch. Ya i have spent a buck here or there but not $7 to $8 USD for a skin thats way too much money for nothing and the loot crate ban is in legislature right now to see if its gambling which it is btw
  • For the skins i do agree but they dont really change the gameplay. They are just cosmetics. For the loot crates i have said my opinion above. Daily rewards are much better.

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