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DexiDerp's avatar
DexiDerp
Seasoned Traveler
14 days ago

Potential patches for romance?

Given the responses here and on Reddit, I don’t think it’s controversial to say the romances are not living up to what we were advertised. “The most romantic Dragon Age” this is most certainly not. The entirety of each romance arc is roughly twenty minutes, with characters like Lucanis spending most of that not responding to flirts at all. Not “responding awkwardly”, like Cullen rubbing his neck or shuffling before continuing to speak, I mean not responding AT ALL.

Is there any chance patches could come in and save this? BG3 and Cyberpunk both had multiple patches that fleshed out their romantic interactions. It’s already been said we’re not getting DLC, but what kind of patches can we expect going forward?

On the off chance the patches will be more substantial than bug fixes, I’d like to offer a few that could help turn the game around for me, at least. I’ll be upfront that I’m mostly talking from the perspective of someone who has only gone through Lucanis’ romance and has been jaded by the time sink required for a really lackluster experience.

  • The “missives” system is right there for some low-effort lore drops. Maybe an interactive love note to carry through the game?
  • Lucanis’ commitment scene is genuinely awful. It felt like the equivalent of putting on the marriage amulet in Skyrim. It was literally just hitting the “committed—on” switch. It is the least satisfying “romance” scene I have ever experienced. They don’t touch. They hardly even gesture. They just stand there staring at each other and cycling through what looks to be idle animations. Was there cut content meant to be here, or is this genuinely the effort put into the “most romantic game ever”? Is it possible to fiddle with some scenes to make them the smallest bit dynamic?
  • And finally, could we get a patch to allow the players to turn off the flirting between companions? It’s a real kick in the head to hear the effort put into two companions getting together, knowing how little romantic content Rook gets to experience themselves. Especially in the case of Neve and Lucanis, where Lucanis is seemingly the one companion that can be locked out of a romance entirely—and then he immediately hooks up with the person who made the exact. same. call. There’s even a line in his Inner Demons quest about being into Neve, it’s relentless and it’s insulting. I’d rather just not even hear it.

Obviously there’s bigger gripes about the romances—why only twenty minutes of content? why can’t we talk to them between missions? why no kiss button?—but I feel like this is a few relatively small adjustments that could help ease some of the ick. Maybe others have more, better ideas, I don’t want to write a whole book and a half.

Additional:

  • Adding an option to object to Rook being referred to as “young”  in Emmerich’s romance to allow for more RP potential.
  • sat1's avatar
    sat1
    New Traveler

    Okay, slight amendment. The spoiler listed previously does apply. I am so disappointed!! I've wanted to romance Lucanis since Tevinter Nights and was over the moon when I found he would be a companion..... and then it turns out to be the least romantic relationship that BioWare have ever done. I don't get it! How can they go from doing amazing romances in three DA games... even DA2 ... to this unbelievably trite relationship...not even going to use the word romance because it's really not. There's a couple of nice words but no kiss and nothing to show they like each other. What a kick in the backside! 

    • sat1's avatar
      sat1
      New Traveler

      I'm adding a second comment in reply to all the others... quite simply YES to everything. How could BioWare establish a book club and not think that would make a great scene to show Rook interacting with all the companions. It's such a shame because in many respects they've made a great game, but as a Dragon Age game they've dropped the ball in regards to companions and romances. 

      • DexiDerp's avatar
        DexiDerp
        Seasoned Traveler

        I think this is the crux of the issue, or even a lot of the issues. Rook feels a thousand miles away from the companions, but they don’t address it the way Varric did with the Wicked Grace game in Inquisition. We’re just meant to listen to all these conversations and pretend Rook is somehow included in the banter by proxy, so they’re all great friends. But they aren’t, not with Rook. Rook can’t do anything with a companion unless they’re summoned with an exclamation point, and even then you’re just as likely getting a scene where you just arrange a better friendship or romance between two companions, not developing Rook’s connection with them.

        It’s sad, really sad. I just don’t think it’s intended to be sad, because the game keeps pretending there’s something there for Rook to cling to to prove they matter to these people.

    • cornerbite's avatar
      cornerbite
      Seasoned Rookie

      It's really weird. I could have sworn there was a toggle to turn nudity on or off, but... why? There's no scenes or anything. What would we need to toggle nudity off for?

      • 17787bdce550e5c7's avatar
        17787bdce550e5c7
        Seasoned Rookie

        I think it's solely because you can have your female body be topless with undies in the character creator. My first Rook was non-binary (I'm doing a reluctant run to successfully romance Lucanis this time). I chose to give my Rook the tank and undies option, because that felt the most practical to me -- that strapless bra is never going to stay up while running around. When I hit the Davrin/Rook sex scene they were making out in their underwear, so I bet if you had the topless undies option, you get **bleep**. And we all know female nipples = nudity, the barest minimum possible (no pun intended). Everything is just flat out weak. 

  • HanzoAshe123's avatar
    HanzoAshe123
    Seasoned Newcomer

    I couldn’t agree more with everything you said!! It would be awesome if they added a little something and definitely toned down the Lucanis/Neve stuff if we’re pursuing either one of them! 

    • Amnixx's avatar
      Amnixx
      Seasoned Rookie

      It's almost like the "you can romance every companion" was an afterthought. That's why Lucanis/Neve are written as they are. They should have limited the romance options and fleshed those out instead of this... whatever it is. 

    • DexiDerp's avatar
      DexiDerp
      Seasoned Traveler

      I’m so burnt out on it that I don’t want to see Neve/Lucanis stuff at all. I bought the game on console so I’m SOL, but if I was on PC I would be learning to mod just so I could remove them talking to or about each other, period. They’d have summer camp rules, six feet apart and leaving room for Andraste, amen. 

      I’ve seen other people expressing similar issues with the NPC pairings seemingly being more fleshed out or steamy or organic or just doing everything better than the relationship with Rook, and I’m definitely bitter over the decision to implement them this prominently.

      My next Rook (assuming I can bring myself to play another time through) is just gonna be the dad from Footloose, and I’m banning dancing and romance until I’m not mad anymore.

      • cornerbite's avatar
        cornerbite
        Seasoned Rookie

        I feel like this was their reaction to folks complaining about "playersexual", which really was such a small minority they should have just ignored it. Instead, they insist that the characters are NOT "player" sexual, they have "their own preferences which will play out if rook doesn't pursue them". 

        So this is what we got just to ensure that some folks knew 100% that Lucanis and Neve were meant to be straight. 

        And after seeing it handled this way... Yea if they aren't just going to just leave the romances open to a MC of any gender, then yea go back to DAI style because this was a huge, ugly mess and I'm beyond annoyed. 

        I never take Lucanis anywhere, I NEVER take Lucanis and Neve anywhere TOGETHER, and I am currently ignoring as much of his story as I possibly can. 

        I know I'm not the only one. THAT's how disengaged folks are from this part of the story.