The tracks are nicely improved, lots of nice chanes for COTA and some for Austria. The new physics model is also great, not allowing you to jump over the kerbs.But the one thing that is still not perfect, with COTA for example, is that most of the kerbs are still not high/big enough for it to punish you for going over it. Some orange kerbs are waaay too flat compared to real life, and since it's flat, you can just drive over them. I'll link a few pictures of my examples, the most notable corners where the kerbs are way too flat is T1, the S turn kerbs seem a bit flat (but it's not as bad as other corners, so it's fine), T8+T9, T15 (not as bad though), and last turn, easily the flattest and worst one.And from Austria too, just this one because the sausage kerb is hilariously small in the game, but also there's a blurred line on the kerb, which seems like it needs fixing.And this is not the video by the way, because this happends on every lap.This might seem like nit-picking, but it really isn't. As I said, it's nice that the refined physics model no longer allow you to jump over big kerbs, but what's the point of that if the track is not accurate to real life, and the kerbs are in the game are flat? I really hope the tracks get updated, Austria needs a lot of changes too, and hopefully the tracks not in the beta are also changed for the better. But my question is, will these BETA tracks be updated before the official release? I really hope so.

@DavidG53Sorry for the ping, but I'm really hoping a dev sees the post.I feel like the car physics are just as important as track accuracy, and if the track is not accurate, then the driving will never be satisfying.I understand that Austria is a lot harder to change, but the Baku kerb before the castle uphill could be easily removed, and the asphalt repainted.It might seem like a small change, but it would be very appreciated, because if we can't jump over the kerbs in F1 22, then the corner would be very tight, and of course it isn't how it is in real life.Also, I know it's the weekend, so I'm not expecting a reply until next week of course. But I'm really hoping it would be passed over to the track designing team, it wouldn't take a lot of effort to fix it.EDIT: Also, here's a reference as to how the section should look like: https://streamff.com/v/4b20feStarts at 0:57

@Meza994 Yeah it sucks that they couldn't make the kerbs elevated, would've been great.What's funny is that they did change Spa, but the only thing was the chicane kerb, and they correctly colored it from orange to red.Only problem is that it's still waay too flat compared to real life.And from the Alex video you linked, the another weird thing is that for Hungaroring, they still haven't fixed the chicane, but they remodeled the building in the pit lane.The reason it's weird is because in the game it looks way bigger than real life. I have no idea what the reason was for changing it if they didn't make it accurate lol. They could've fixed the chicane, but they decided to work on this...

@JebeFIN wrote:Mexico isn't fixed yet? LIKE.. Mexico and Spa has been same since 2015 game and they haven't fixed these tracks.. This video tells everything about why Mexico isn't 100% right https://youtu.be/1vOxrxR84rUAccurate tracks are very important to racing games, and I still can't believe this isn't fixed. I hope they get to it next year.And Spa too. Might as well go over all the tracks that are not laser scanned to get them accurate.

@Meza994 wrote:@Blackbird90True but on the other side they need to make like 2 new tracks? Qatar and Las Vegas will be new in 2023. So remaking a few corners might be possilbe (Bus stop, Mexico Esses, Jeddah kerbs, Canada kerbs etc.) but i wouldnt get my hopes up.. They get the money to have more people working on it but seem to not want, just like EA go about FIFAFrom an impact vs time investment perspective I'd personally put the Baku change high on any to-do list.

@Meza994 Yeah I'm not really getting my hopes up, I know how much Codies likes to improve their existing tracks, for example Hungaroring chicane is still incorrect in the games, for around 8 years now. (lol)It sucks because the new tracks they release have flawless quality, like Portimao, Imola, the improved Australia, and the new Miami track are all amazing and accurate.I just hate that they are spending their time with creating a track DLC, instead of updating existing circuits. I know they won't change their mind now about that, but I'm really hoping the returning tracks are at least improved a lot (like Hockenheim).But looking at Jeddah, it seems like they might care about updating existing tracks, so hopefully after Saudi they start working on the tracks I mentioned above, and also on tracks like Canada (especially the chicane), Mexico (the S turns are completely inaccurate), Brazil etc.

Can we expect more track changes for the BETA tracks in the release version?

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SteveJackson
Hero (Retired)
4 years ago
Another forum fail (unless it's the way the OP intended) is that the pictures aren't zoomable to real size.
Tibi2199
4 years ago
@SteveJackson I didn't intended it to be that way, but on PC you can right-click the pictures, and "open the picture in another window", and the pictures should be bigger (especially the first Austria one).
Tibi2199
4 years ago
Considering how close we are to release, I'm guessing these track change suggestions won't make it to the final game, so we can only hope they can change it for F1 23. It's okay though, I much prefer the improved physics we will be getting.

However there's one change that I'm sure could still be done before release.

It wouldn't take as much time as these changes I suggested one month ago, and it would make this weekend's circuit most famous section true to real life, and it would also make it much better. I'm talking about the castle section, and the left turn. Since 2021, there aren't any kerbs in that section, only the asphalt is painted to look like kerbs.

We can see from the Developer Deep Dive that the kerbs are still not removed.

It would be a very welcomed change, as the removal of the kerbs would let people to drive the section much faster, and it would be correct to real life. Here are some comparisons:

F1 22 Deep dive - Kerb is still there:

https://youtu.be/Ilz_w1Dw1lk?t=1280

Haas Twitter pic (the picture is most likely from this week) -
https://twitter.com/HaasF1Team/status/1534814175796551681/photo/1

Charles Leclerc's Pole Lap | 2021 - Kerb is not there - https://youtu.be/RmCkDAWp4C4?t=61
Tibi2199
4 years ago
@DavidG53Sorry for the ping, but I'm really hoping a dev sees the post.

I feel like the car physics are just as important as track accuracy, and if the track is not accurate, then the driving will never be satisfying.

I understand that Austria is a lot harder to change, but the Baku kerb before the castle uphill could be easily removed, and the asphalt repainted.

It might seem like a small change, but it would be very appreciated, because if we can't jump over the kerbs in F1 22, then the corner would be very tight, and of course it isn't how it is in real life.

Also, I know it's the weekend, so I'm not expecting a reply until next week of course. But I'm really hoping it would be passed over to the track designing team, it wouldn't take a lot of effort to fix it.
EDIT: Also, here's a reference as to how the section should look like: https://streamff.com/v/4b20fe
Starts at 0:57
ajobling1983
Rising Ace
4 years ago
@Tibi2199 wrote:
@DavidG53Sorry for the ping, but I'm really hoping a dev sees the post.

I feel like the car physics are just as important as track accuracy, and if the track is not accurate, then the driving will never be satisfying.

I understand that Austria is a lot harder to change, but the Baku kerb before the castle uphill could be easily removed, and the asphalt repainted.

It might seem like a small change, but it would be very appreciated, because if we can't jump over the kerbs in F1 22, then the corner would be very tight, and of course it isn't how it is in real life.

Also, I know it's the weekend, so I'm not expecting a reply until next week of course. But I'm really hoping it would be passed over to the track designing team, it wouldn't take a lot of effort to fix it.
EDIT: Also, here's a reference as to how the section should look like: https://streamff.com/v/4b20fe
Starts at 0:57
Unfortunately its not that simple, as even for the smallest change like this, i would expect the A.I would need to be retrained to take a different line at different speed etc…
its not as simple as move the cerb and paint the track
Tibi2199
4 years ago
@ajobling1983 Yeah that might be true, but I looked at some gameplay of 2021 Baku, and the AI already takes the corner like players, which means they always jump over the kerb.
So the AI could take the corner with the same line, but maybe should carry a little bit more speed.
Anyways, even if this can't be done before release, it would be amazing if they could change it post launch
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Tibi2199 Yes it would be great but i wouldnt get my hopes up, likely gonna be a lot they need to fix at release.. And the car performances are never gonna be accurate simply because there is no porpoising in the game - dont get me wrong i know why they got rid of it but Merc swing of performance comes 100% down to porpoising. Without it they are challenging for the best top speed, without it they are among the worst for it. There is no good balance for realistic results in the game (swining similarly).. And i know this is a personal problem haha but we know how the past releases have been.. F1 Life is probably working almost bugfree, but the rest?
Nylink
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
That baku image is a good callout. I know tracks change all the time but F1 games should strive to get the tracks right.
Do you guys remember a few years back how they had silverstone wrong?
Tibi2199
4 years ago
@Meza994 Yeah I'm not really getting my hopes up, I know how much Codies likes to improve their existing tracks, for example Hungaroring chicane is still incorrect in the games, for around 8 years now. (lol)

It sucks because the new tracks they release have flawless quality, like Portimao, Imola, the improved Australia, and the new Miami track are all amazing and accurate.

I just hate that they are spending their time with creating a track DLC, instead of updating existing circuits. I know they won't change their mind now about that, but I'm really hoping the returning tracks are at least improved a lot (like Hockenheim).

But looking at Jeddah, it seems like they might care about updating existing tracks, so hopefully after Saudi they start working on the tracks I mentioned above, and also on tracks like Canada (especially the chicane), Mexico (the S turns are completely inaccurate), Brazil etc.
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Tibi2199 I wouldnt get my hopes up that there is anything other than Portimao and China as extra tracks lol but yea i agree but im still not convinced that Jeddah is more than the kerb colors.. From what i saw the kerb height is still far off of real life which changes the track completely.