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Piccolo_Demigai
2 years ago
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Midfielders don't defend

I've seen this issue be reported for past editions, but in FC24 (PS4) is not fixed yet. Midfielders in this game stand there watching the opposition attack on the edge of the box and they do nothing ...
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  • GoonerSoldier's avatar
    GoonerSoldier
    2 years ago
    @Piccolo_Demigais See my post about the AI being the main problem with this game. The developers have even added DOUBLE TEAMMATE contain this season. What does that mean? It means the AI will do NOTHING unless you tell them to. This is why the Gameplay is suffering from cutback goals, easy R1 dribbling, etc ,etc.
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Piccolo_Demigai
2 years ago

I've been exploring this double teammate press and I think I understand now how the devs want the user to play defence.

Basically it is a key feature and not an optional way of defending as one could may think initially.

If you hold R1 once a teammate will track the player who has the ball. If you press it twice 2 teammates will track the players who DON'T have the ball, effectively cutting the most dangerous passing lines for the AI. However you have to time it well since doing it too soon or too often will drain your players stamina.

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I think this should have been more emphasized in the tutorials, as it is the only way that the midfielders can perform in defence.

Still, I think a little bit more of  AI defence awareness is necessary. I applaud the intention of the devs to make the defence an exercise of focus for the player.

But midfielders just standing there if you fail to manage them is just too false and frustrating. Just a little bit of harassment from behind if the line has been broken would be enough.

v3ry_n00b's avatar
v3ry_n00b
2 years ago
@Piccolo_Demigais wrote:

I've been exploring this double teammate press and I think I understand now how the devs want the user to play defence.

Basically it is a key feature and not an optional way of defending as one could may think initially.

If you hold R1 once a teammate will track the player who has the ball. If you press it twice 2 teammates will track the players who DON'T have the ball, effectively cutting the most dangerous passing lines for the AI. However you have to time it well since doing it too soon or too often will drain your players stamina.

I tried this, and you're right, it *largely* works.

*largely* because... I still have another problem. If the opponent has the ball in or just outside my penalty area, double-press R1 will just cause my back four to move out of position because my 2 CDMs (whom I want to be the ones tracking) aren't anywhere near the penalty area.

My 2 CDMs simply don't track back. I can manually pull one back but ( a ) I won't be able to control the defender defending the ball, ( b ) the other CDM doesn't track back and ( c ) once I switch control, that CDM whom I've been trying to pull back then moves upfield again...

I play 4-3-3 ( 3 ) and ironically, the midfielder who DOES track back is the CM (who isn't defensively great) but the 2 CDMs will somehow naturally be ahead of that CM (and the ball).

I tried all sorts of custom tactics but can't seem to do anything about the CDMs' behaviour.

  • Piccolo_Demigai's avatar
    Piccolo_Demigai
    2 years ago

    100% agreed.

    The double tap R1 is not totally reliable because of what you expose.

    Another situation like this happens with the full backs. For example, if playing 4-4-2, if the opponent has the ball between the RB and the CRD (center right defender) you have to handle the CRD to cut passing lines or defend the goal. The RB will stand there idle and when pressing R1 sometimes is the CLD who comes to press instead of the RB from behind, which leaves an enormous gap in the center of the box.

    So yeah, even though you can try to defend as best as you can with these mechanics, sometimes you concede goals in which you are helpless with the controls and the total lack of AI support.

    • v3ry_n00b's avatar
      v3ry_n00b
      2 years ago

      The frustrating thing is, some of the human opponents I played against, their CDMs DO defend. They do position themselves behind the ball, and pack their penalty area alongside the defenders. But no matter what I tried, I just can't effect this, short of manually pulling one back. Tried asking but noone wants to offer any advice.

      I can't help feeling like, while some of us have been here complaining about this issue, there are those who know how to get this to work properly, silently reading our posts, thinking to themselves "these know nowts", sniggering, and then beating us game after game...

      Either that or maybe CDM coming back to defend is a paid DLC feature. Maybe if I spend enough on EASFC points, there will be an additional player instruction for CDMs to actually come back and defend...

      • riptide_80's avatar
        riptide_80
        2 years ago
        @v3ry_n00b @Piccolo_Demigais yeah the custom tactics (or the very idea of it) make zero sense. I’ve literally sat & changed my entire teams instructions from game to game. Went from 25 depth to the dreaded 71 everyone bangs the drum about. No noticeable changes. Same as the width & gone from balanced/direct passing to fast build up etc - nothing changes.

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