Game play

It seems there might be a miscommunication happening here, because your response reads as though you are responding to claims I have never made, and then arguing against those. 

It can feel frustrating for a person to be peppered with arguments, claims, and counterclaims against things they've never said, which may be why you are finding people do not have reasonable discussions. 

I think it is important for people to understand the perspective of the players who are having a similar experience to me and maybe this forum thread will be helpful for others in the future, so I am happy to discuss.

To your main point here: That’s what I am saying people like when ea nerf defense and buff offense. So you like the patch and the path ea is taking?  If anything you want them to go even more in that direction?

I think this is the main area of miscommunication happening. 

Other people might like it when defense is lower and offensive play is easier, but I don't know because that isn't what I was talking about, so it does not apply to me. I didn't say I like the patch or anything similar. My point is there is a difference between what people are experiencing. Some of us are not getting worse defense and easier attacking with updates, we are getting an increasingly broken and laggy gaming experience. So that group of gamers, myself included, don't experience improved attacking play. Attacking play for me is difficult. Defense is also difficult. The midfield, too, is difficult. Because everything is laggy, poorly animated and has issues. This was my main point. 

To answer some of your questions:

1. "Do you have many games end 0-0. " - Yes, or 1-1. It's very much two extremes - if the gameplay is on the slightly better side (e.g. I play at 5 a.m.) then my games are close, low scoring games (which, arguably, they should be, if I am in the correct division for my ability). However, when the gameplay issues are bad (peak hours, usually, when I never play now), then I would leave a game after going 3-0 down, because when the gameplay is bad, I would end up conceding 10 or more goals. But I don't ever play anywhere around peak times unless it's to test if an update has improved the game. 
2. Do you not think pace is the most important stat?  Are you using anyone under 70 pace? 80 pace?  An attacker under 90? -For my main Evo team right now, yes I have a fair few lower paced players including midfielders under 70 pace and attackers under 80. I have won games with that team multiple times when I play early morning. So, I don't think pace is the most important stat, but it can definitely be an important one depending on people's gameplay style and their gameplay experience.
3. Are you using manual offense? Yes. I didn't know until quite recently that the supposed "meta" was running around with your CDM and getting your AI to defend. If I did that, my AI defenders would just stand still and watch people run past them. I control my defence and have the Advanced Defending option on rather than Tactical, so I have control over the types of tackles I do. 
4. When you defend do you find you are giving up pace counter attacks? Sometimes, depends on the game and gameplay.  I am okay at slowing down breakaway counters with manually switching between the one or two defenders who stay back and "sheparding" the attacker towards less threatening areas (like the wings) which gives me more time. But sometimes, yes, I concede on counter attacks which I would expect.
5. Do you see anyone using an attacking formation like 3 atb besides maybe to come from behind?  If defense is easier than offense why don’t you see 3 or even 2 being left behind to take on 4 or more attacker? Again, I did not claim defence is easier than offense, my point was that for the gameplay problems I and some others experience, neither are easy and both are awful. 
   
   

Some of the other things you said are just differences in opinion. I love Evos, for example, they are the only reason I still play. I love building up my custom teams and if Evos were not in the game, I wouldn't have a reason to keep playing. But that's just preference. Everyone has different preferences like that.

Hopefully that offers more context to the angle that I am coming from with the gameplay problems some of us are experiencing.

I think gameplay problems are different from having an opinion on the game. That’s why I link other threads so people can fix their connection.  They are usually on wifi and are experiencing packet loss. But yeah that will cause people to have different gameplay that is unplayable. Which isn’t the same as having an opinion. Look at threads like these showing their connection issues and not server or gameplay.

https://forums.ea.com/discussions/fc-25-technical-issues-en/fix-the-servers/12107456

If you are using manual offense you are one of the few. Most have gone back to non manual offense. As far as defense I don’t see anyone just running around with their cdm. If that was the case you would see it at the pro level and ea would nerf it to the ground like they already have  I manually defend as that’s the best way.  If I could run around with my cdm and win I would  

You seem to experience the same gameplay I have though.  I think the misconception was that only I experience it from your first response.  That’s why I asked if you experience my gameplay or not. 

At this point, I am not sure I understand the points you are trying to make. I have very poor gameplay and I am on a CAT6 wired, 1GB connection, with 0% packet loss, 0 Jitter and sub-15 ping, and I have set up the Xbox and my router to optimise and prioritise the connection for the console gaming. I still have these gameplay issues. In fact, the better my connection has gotten, the worse my experience as been. That is my main point - it is not user-end connection for some people, including me.

Looking at other things you have posted about your gameplay, I am also confused why you are saying we have the same gameplay. It is clear that we do not based on response. Even in this thread, you say that attacking is easy and defense is hard - I do not have that experience so we cannot have the same gameplay.

I am curious what you mean by non-manual defense, though, because I assumed you meant when people don't control their CBs at all and just run back and forth cutting passing lanes with their CDM (e.g. Gullit, Viera etc.). 

Maybe I am confused is the op not talking about gameplay and patches?  

If he or you are having connection issues try that thread I linked. So far everyone is showing it’s their connection not ea. If you are not maybe ea will look into it. 

Also I said non manual offense not defense. People manually defend. Nobody uses manual offense after the patch.  Well the pros do to a point as ea forces it but not all the settings. Most don’t even know how to turn on manual offense. 

I do not have connection issues on my end. I have good connection, notably in that thread the EA respondent brings up packet loss. I have 0% packet loss. My gameplay is poor despite the good connection. 

My apologies about the manual offense/defense, that was my misreading error. Then to answer your question yes, I use both manual offense and manual defense. 

I use targeted and aimed runs, give and go runs, the bumpers to pull players close and send them on runs, and use player locks. 

I have to do all of this because my AI rarely makes attacking runs and, on the occasions it does, tends to get caught on the opposition defenders and then get stuck and fall over. If I use directed runs and player lock, I can get around some of that problem. 

I said you would be the first one who is showing it’s not on your end. Everyone else is showing it’s not on eas end.  If you post your screenshots it would help show ea it’s not a connection issue and maybe they will look into it.  

Thats why I always suggest run those tests  and you can also take a video with the online input overlay on. This will show you if you have any delay and if it’s a server issue. One controller on screen is local and one shows the server. If they are out of sync say 4 seconds then you have 4 seconds of delay. 

Most either find out they don’t have delay or it’s on their end. Ea should do more of those as I know a lot of people think it’s on eas end. They are very transparent threads and lets everyone know what’s going on. 

On manual offense I mean in the settings. You turn on manual offense. This will no longer help you aim or adjust your power.  If your aim is off a little bit you will hit the corner flag with a shot. Very few use this as it obviously makes it harder and makes a bigger skill gap. If you are good this will also make all your passes go where you want them.  It’s set to non manual offense as default which most use. 

I mean... I don't know how much better the connection could get? If my connection isn't good enough, how is anyone's? In a moment, I will post it to that thread as well and see what is said. 

Also, my experience isn't primarily about specific input delay, it is about generalised poor, heavy, laggy gameplay that feels out of sync with my opponent as though there is some kind of client-server desynchronisation or lag compensation. However, there are some clips on my Xbox showing my controller overlay lighting up with the Tackle Button on the controller, and then my player actually tackling two seconds or more after the button has been pressed. That tends to happen on RUSH. I am very reluctant to spend a lot of time downloading and splicing videos if they're just going to get ignored like the majority of threads on here, if I'm honest, so I hope you will understand my reluctance to do that at this time.

Oh, you mean precision shooting? Yes, I have that turned on and timed shots on as well. It was quite a learning curve and often with the gameplay problems I have to turn the timed shooting off or not use it, when the gameplay is bad I can't green-time well, but I've had precision shooting on since I got the game.

I am just saying if you want to. My gameplay works fine so I really don’t care either way. If nothing else the online input overlay is just for your knowledge. Most just assume they have delay one side de sync all that you describe. Now while a few do actually have 4 second delay most find out they don’t. 

I mean did you know that would check in game for you?  I just suggest it to help you rather you report it to ea or not that’s up to you. You can see everyone in there says the same thing you do if not exactly in that thread in others. 

I try to get everyone that wants to report it to. I can’t help that only a few do and the ones that do show it’s not on eas end. 

I think extra long has the same issue and he is on wifi and has high packet loss. I could be wrong but think he has posted it before. If not he should as he is already in that thread.

Here is ea explaining it better than me. 

Two controller graphics are displayed on the top-right corner of your screen during online matches played on FIFA Game Data Centers.

• The first controller graphic is Local Input and mirrors the actions you perform on your physical controller.
• The second controller graphic is Online Response, which shows the same inputs but after they've been processed by a FIFA Game Data Center and your network. This Input Overlay option is only available for matches played on FIFA Game Data Centers.

Why does EA SPORTS FC™ use game data centers?

EAS FC uses game data centers so that someone else’s connection doesn’t impact your own gameplay. The game data center handles the distribution of gameplay information to all players.

The center collects inputs from your game at a set interval of time, and then sends this information back to everyone else in a match. This happens at the same time for all players and is determined by their individual connections.

For example, if one player is streaming 4K movies and trying to play on a weak Wi-Fi signal, their activities shouldn’t impact anyone else in that match. The game data center still sends the information back at the same time.

A game data center acts as the host of the match in multiplayer matches.

RS

My connection is fine. My reports all come back great as do all the reports I run for other haves services on my WiFi. 

I have excellent internet speed, I show 100% wireless connectivity. 

On some FC25 game reports, most often on rush, I see some very minimal packet loss still well within the limit EA says is excellent. 

So perhaps you can stop using me as an example. I have a great connection but I get terrible gameplay. 

Also, packet loss is a two way thing. I get it on nothing else. It gets worse specifically on rush. This points to the loss, minimal though it is, coming from the EA side. 

You blaming people’s connection has gone way beyond boring. 

You should post your screenshots in that thread then. Maybe if two people show ea they don’t have connection issues in there they will look into it.