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MaddenUniversity That was the first thing I thought about. Muscle memory.
GVRH If we take into consideration the games we play - Sports/MMO/RPG/Mobile - things get really confusing once you swap over to another game.
So, thinking not just as the player, but also from my side, would this hinder more controls or help swap back and forth if the mapping and condition settings were what we wanted?
I play a few rounds of BF, then go to Madden, then swap to something like Skyrim (first one that came to mind), and then back to Madden later. Where does that land me on not getting aggro because i should have landed that toss but ended up in a fumble.
EA_Shepard Yeah absolutely things can get confusing when you bounce between games and whatnot. I have to admit that I literally have this problem all the time. Especially if it's been awhile since playing a different game like Skyrim, I often have to refer back to the controls of different games to get refamilarized with them. I do eventually settle back in, but like riding a bike I guess, it can be uncomfortable at first. You do present a very interesting question though. I don't know if I have a great answer, but there are a couple of points I wanna touch on concerning the question:
- (Re)mapping: Swapping back and forth between different games and different controls can absolutely be a pain, and when the controls are intricate enough as with games like Madden, FIFA, or NBA 2K, it absolutely can be a barrier for entry and really scare people off with the amount of time and effort it can take to get good with them. I'll come back to that point in a minute, but this is where I'd like to say, that anytime I've been able to remap my controls within a game, it's made it 100% easier to get going with the game and settle in. Almost all of my action/RPG type games are mapped out to be as close to "souls-like" games as possible, and many follow the same mapping protocols upon release to make entry easier. So you'll find now that with a lot of action/RPG types games that attacks are almost exclusively R1/RB and R2/RT now: COD, For Honor, Dark Souls, Elden Ring, God of War, etc....all similar mapping. Idk if remapping is something Madden could ever introduce, but all I can do is note that it's very helpful when game swapping and trying to get use to a new game.
- Advanced Controls: So I had mentioned above about games like Madden, FIFA, and NBA 2K having very intricate controls, and how that can be a barrier for entry. With these types of sports games, in order to have the level of immersion you find in sports, I do wanna start by saying that I think these advanced level controls and mechanics are probably neccessary. However, it comes right back to, the more you add, and the more advanced they become, the more difficult it can be to appeal to casual gamers and entry level players. I found this to be a problem trying to pick up NBA 2K again just recently. So much advanced controls can be daunting to learn. Ultimately there were moments it made me not want to play as some overlapping with the Sq Button was becoming extremely frustrating. Sometimes adding more is just not the solution, and I'm willing to admit that it could very well be the case with what has been presented here. One thing I'll say that Madden has done very well though, is keeping those classic and very simplified controls in tact for these newer and less advanced players, and with that being said, as long as those are maintained, idk if the addition of this would neccessarily be terrible either as long as they have access to the more simplified controls still, as with the classic passing system availability.
Regardless of those two points, I do still feel a lot of it I just going to come down to player adaptability and the willingness to put in the time and work to make the use of the newer advanced mechnics as you would have to practice anything else. We saw this with both Switch Stick and Free Form Passing, that although it made a lot of people angry, the pros and people who really want to play the game at an advanced level put in that time and effort and are better players because of it. From a development aspect, I also understand that it could take some time to code it in and tinker with it to get it working optimally, and that's not always fun from that side of things either, but I do feel it has the potential to make the game better to an extent that it could prove well worth it.
Anyway, idk if I touched on your question in the way I needed to, but that is just some additional thoughts as I contemplate it more in depth. Either way, talking through it has definitely been hepful and productive!
- MaddenUniversity19 days agoSeasoned Veteran
GVRH
Regarding the advanced controls... I think the real beauty of Madden is that anyone can jump in and play at their own level... I don't mean Rookie, Pro, All-Pro or All-Madden; I mean the level of control they CHOOSE to exert over what happens on the field.
Take myself... I User control as much as I can. I create custom playbooks, reorder depth charts, call the formations, set, plays, protection, hot-routes/adjustments, snap count, movement of the QB, throw with speed vs arc, lead my passes, switch to receivers, and user catch based on where the defender is.
Take a new player... He has every thing I just mentioned at his fingertips, but merely picks plays and snaps the ball.
We are both CHOOSING how we interact with the game... In the event that we meet, I like my chances; but neither my 30+ years of experience playing Madden nor my hardline approach to the game guarantee victory.
That said, there are a bunch of overlapping buttons with football acts that are in direct opposition... The Run After Catch (RAC) button is the same as the Dive button. No reason for that button to be the same. Same with the Possession Catch button and the Stiff Arm button.
On Defense, the Play Receiver button becomes the Conservative Tackle button - which makes sense, but the SWAT button becomes the Dive Button, where they mix the safe option with the dangerous option and the action you get depends on exact instant you press the button.
The Swat should be at the same button as the Strip Tackle button as they both control moving an a defenders hand toward the ball. - GVRH18 days agoSeasoned Ace
MaddenUniversity Hey man, I completely agree with you, and as I stated above, I think that's something Madden has done very well with allowing players to CHOOSE how they play. They don't necessarily have to use advanced controls, or play on All-Madden, or Rookie, if they don't want too, and the more they've given us the ability to customize everything, the better it's been for the game and the players.
I also really like the point you make about overlapping within Madden, because it's not just a 2K problem, it exists within Madden too, and you're correct that the simple timing of an input can really screw you over if you're not careful because of how the buttons are assigned. In saying that, I think it really makes a good case for button remapping if they could, and were willing to ever include it, as it would only further allow players to choose how they play.
- MaddenUniversity17 days agoSeasoned Veteran
The buttons change every few years... Sometimes it's better. Sometimes it's not.
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