Are the rumors actually true about Miranda?
I preordered on steam and when i opened the forums up i see tons of threads saying they changed cut scenes of her azz so it doesn't show it? IS this true? That would be a shame because i really don...
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@Princess_Catra wrote:
I preordered on steam and when i opened the forums up i see tons of threads saying they changed cut scenes of her azz so it doesn't show it?
IS this true? ...
Sounds like a gentle reframing here and there. Shepard sitting in her black dress was never that classy in the original. 😉
Nothing for anyone to be getting worked up about I suspect.
@SofaJockeyUK I guess it depends how extreme the reframing is, like i seem to remember one part of the conversations with Miranda where she went over to the window and the camera saw her butt while she was walking. If they changed it to have miranda walking to the camera it would be weird, lose that effect of looking out into space while contemplating. Also I don't remember Shephard in a black dress specifically, i only played her once but I do remember that i didnt like shephard dressed up in any scene ever. It literally always looked weird seeing her out of military gear. Maybe it was because I played male shephard most of the time and his dress up gear was still functional if there was a surprise battle? or maybe the femshep character model was weird and didn't suit dresses, i really can't remember what i found so weird about it.
I do wonder if people are upset because of changes to the original game (no matter how small) affecting the game they loved or if they are upset because miranda puts the * in mass effect :O
Personally, I'm in the boat that cutscenes and story should be untouched save for being made prettier. Leave all the changes as gameplay improvements so new players can experience the game smooth as butter and be able to talk to old players about the cutscenes and story they loved. I guess if character models are updated it would impact cutscenes a bit too. I do worry a bit because I have heard of some remasters of other games where people cried about things being too sexual and so changes were made to 'remove the problem' and then it's overdone to the point of being unrealistic. I think it might have been some tomb raider game? where a female character who was super active and would have a lot of muscle had complaints of her butt being sexualised so they gave her a flat * which was incredibly weird on someone who climbs so much. I might have got the wrong franchise there :P didnt pay much attention to it, but my point is that i hope they don't go changing all the women in ME and making things weird.
Yeah this whole thing bothers me I had preordered ME Legendary Edition on steam the moment it became available but hearing about the censorship makes me really concerned (the motivation behind the changes). If the changes Bioware want to make are an all around win from every side then thats great, such as improvements on the quality, graphics or adding in additional storyline branches etc (which apparently they aren't) would be welcome from all sides. But deliberately removing/obfuscating various parts that made the game what it is because of various *cough* minority crowds without at least an option to keep it the same isn't respecting the fan base in my opinion. These changes are just un-necessary when the time and attention could have been spent on other more exciting additions to the game. The biggest worry I have is where do they draw the line?
@Sky2k5 wrote:Yeah this whole thing bothers me I had preordered ME Legendary Edition on steam the moment it became available but hearing about the censorship makes me really concerned (the motivation behind the changes). If the changes Bioware want to make are an all around win from every side then thats great, such as improvements on the quality, graphics or adding in additional storyline branches etc (which apparently they aren't) would be welcome from all sides. But deliberately removing/obfuscating various parts that made the game what it is because of various *cough* minority crowds without at least an option to keep it the same isn't respecting the fan base in my opinion. These changes are just un-necessary when the time and attention could have been spent on other more exciting additions to the game. The biggest worry I have is where do they draw the line?
It happens go all American games sadly.
Surprised a mod hasn't came in here and banned me and deleted the thread tbh.
But if there is a mod made that can fix the cut scene(highly unlikely) and the many other things they will probably change I may buy it.
This isn't about them editing Miranda's character model. It's about them possibly choosing different frames instead of the base and excessive shots of Miranda's butt designed to sell the game. There's a difference between what Mass Effect Andromeda did with their eldritch character creator and excessively sexualizing a character.
By the way, if we were talking original ME designs, we'd also be talking about de-glaming Ashley Williams and shrinking FemShep's ever growing bust between the games. Or that leather hooker's dress from Mass Effect 3. If the one thing they flagged in the series was the shots of Miranda's butt being excessive, it was probably something originally done not from design but marketing. Miranda Lawson is also based off Yvonne Strahovski so there's an actress they probably preferred the idea of the original emphasis on her performance instead of marketing- "can we have more shots of her butt".
There's also the infamous shape that made its way into the game when you scoped with a sniper rifle onto EDI with the wrong armor set on. It's not creativity these things make it into games, it's marketing and/or someone's fantasy trips.
@Allison_X5-734You act like Sexualization is wrong. Since I never hear any complaints about half naked guys.
Also Miranda was a great character herself. The * scenes were not there to sell the game. LMFAO.And if it offends you... boo hoo?
No wonder america gets stuff like Abby or the girl from gears of War in our games.
Can we go back please.
"gentle reframing"
then it is not a 100% remaster.
"Nothing for anyone to be getting worked up about I suspect."
i will not be buying a censured version either they make the remaster the way the original was and put that time into fixing the ending in ME3Saying it isnt 100% remaster because of some 'gentle reframing' might be a bit of a stretch.
I actually had difficulty finding people talking about this on youtube when i looked for it yesterday after someone else mentioned it was a big deal. Maybe i used the wrong key words, ill try look again today if I get a chance as I'm curious how wide reaching this is.
It seems to me like bioware might have made a mistake specifically mentioning miranda when talking about cutscene camera angles. After seeing your 'not a 100% remaster' thing i went to youtube and looked up comparisons of two other remasters I have played, gears of war ultimate edition and halo 2.
Here are the links in case you want to check them.I know they are not mass effect, but im using them for a point. In both of those remasters I can see changes to camera angles as well as to the timing of the scenes and for the most part they do look better. I like and dislike different parts of the remastered ones but after seeing those I'm even more on the fence about bioware's changes to mass effect cutscenes.
Until I play the remaster and see the changes for myself I won't be able to say "all changes are bad" anymore because I did like the changes to other remasters. There is a good chance that I will like most of the mass effect tweaks and it will outweigh one or two negative changes they make (in my eyes at least).
"Saying it isnt 100% remaster because of some 'gentle reframing' might be a bit of a stretch"
Totally depends on how they do it, if they go as far as cutting her out of the cutscene alltogheter which they would be stupid to do then it would be a different game would it not? a true 100% remaster tries to stay as close to original games with its strenghts and flaws if a remaster removes all flaws its also not the same game since some of the flaws is part of the charm some like it some dont not everyone likes the samething
"I know they are not mass effect, but im using them for a point. In both of those remasters I can see changes to camera angles as well as to the timing of the scenes and for the most part they do look better. I like and dislike different parts of the remastered ones but after seeing those I'm even more on the fence about bioware's changes to mass effect cutscenes."
yes all of these things COULD be a good thing but in my opinion this is a very minor issue compared to some other things like actual gameplay fixes, AI, buggs that existed for god knows how long, ME3 ending etc etc Look at WC3 reforged that was a good remaster right? thats what EA could do with every future "Remaster" unless people fight back lazy cash grabs with no money spent to actually upgrade the game new textures and camera angles is not enough almost no one liked ME3 ending this would be a perfect time to fix that but nope this is what they "fix"
what i am afraid of is allowing the (in lack of better words) Desexualising Miranda who was portrayed to be perfect in every regard if we as consumers allow this now it will impact how Bioware and every other company under EA will handle things in future games look how it went with lootboxes as example started with a few cosmetics to some power ups then well you know where it ended. so if we allow this minor change now next time they most likely will do an even bigger change imagine Morrigan with no cleavage as an example.
also we need to fight back to changes without reason to me this is a whole lot more then just her butt if they had good face animations i would be more then happy to have Witcher / cyberpunk / (insert most RPG games here) style of conversations with her face but those facial animations suck or at least did in original games if they have a good reason to change it fine but this is not a good reason.
just remember EA has a good reputation to start a snowball effect they start with a minor thing then it escalated just like with Lootboxes i would be very afraid what this "minor" change could mean for the future
