I preordered on steam and when i opened the forums up i see tons of threads saying they changed cut scenes of her azz so it doesn't show it?
IS this true? That would be a shame because i really don't want to cancel the pre order... But being EA i expected something like this to happen. Old ME versions it is.
@SofaJockeyUK I guess it depends how extreme the reframing is, like i seem to remember one part of the conversations with Miranda where she went over to the window and the camera saw her butt while she was walking. If they changed it to have miranda walking to the camera it would be weird, lose that effect of looking out into space while contemplating. Also I don't remember Shephard in a black dress specifically, i only played her once but I do remember that i didnt like shephard dressed up in any scene ever. It literally always looked weird seeing her out of military gear. Maybe it was because I played male shephard most of the time and his dress up gear was still functional if there was a surprise battle? or maybe the femshep character model was weird and didn't suit dresses, i really can't remember what i found so weird about it.
I do wonder if people are upset because of changes to the original game (no matter how small) affecting the game they loved or if they are upset because miranda puts the * in mass effect :O
Personally, I'm in the boat that cutscenes and story should be untouched save for being made prettier. Leave all the changes as gameplay improvements so new players can experience the game smooth as butter and be able to talk to old players about the cutscenes and story they loved. I guess if character models are updated it would impact cutscenes a bit too. I do worry a bit because I have heard of some remasters of other games where people cried about things being too sexual and so changes were made to 'remove the problem' and then it's overdone to the point of being unrealistic. I think it might have been some tomb raider game? where a female character who was super active and would have a lot of muscle had complaints of her butt being sexualised so they gave her a flat * which was incredibly weird on someone who climbs so much. I might have got the wrong franchise there :P didnt pay much attention to it, but my point is that i hope they don't go changing all the women in ME and making things weird.
Yeah this whole thing bothers me I had preordered ME Legendary Edition on steam the moment it became available but hearing about the censorship makes me really concerned (the motivation behind the changes). If the changes Bioware want to make are an all around win from every side then thats great, such as improvements on the quality, graphics or adding in additional storyline branches etc (which apparently they aren't) would be welcome from all sides. But deliberately removing/obfuscating various parts that made the game what it is because of various *cough* minority crowds without at least an option to keep it the same isn't respecting the fan base in my opinion. These changes are just un-necessary when the time and attention could have been spent on other more exciting additions to the game. The biggest worry I have is where do they draw the line?
@Sky2k5 wrote:Yeah this whole thing bothers me I had preordered ME Legendary Edition on steam the moment it became available but hearing about the censorship makes me really concerned (the motivation behind the changes). If the changes Bioware want to make are an all around win from every side then thats great, such as improvements on the quality, graphics or adding in additional storyline branches etc (which apparently they aren't) would be welcome from all sides. But deliberately removing/obfuscating various parts that made the game what it is because of various *cough* minority crowds without at least an option to keep it the same isn't respecting the fan base in my opinion. These changes are just un-necessary when the time and attention could have been spent on other more exciting additions to the game. The biggest worry I have is where do they draw the line?
It happens go all American games sadly.
Surprised a mod hasn't came in here and banned me and deleted the thread tbh.
But if there is a mod made that can fix the cut scene(highly unlikely) and the many other things they will probably change I may buy it.
This isn't about them editing Miranda's character model. It's about them possibly choosing different frames instead of the base and excessive shots of Miranda's butt designed to sell the game. There's a difference between what Mass Effect Andromeda did with their eldritch character creator and excessively sexualizing a character.
By the way, if we were talking original ME designs, we'd also be talking about de-glaming Ashley Williams and shrinking FemShep's ever growing bust between the games. Or that leather hooker's dress from Mass Effect 3. If the one thing they flagged in the series was the shots of Miranda's butt being excessive, it was probably something originally done not from design but marketing. Miranda Lawson is also based off Yvonne Strahovski so there's an actress they probably preferred the idea of the original emphasis on her performance instead of marketing- "can we have more shots of her butt".
There's also the infamous shape that made its way into the game when you scoped with a sniper rifle onto EDI with the wrong armor set on. It's not creativity these things make it into games, it's marketing and/or someone's fantasy trips.
@Allison_X5-734You act like Sexualization is wrong. Since I never hear any complaints about half naked guys.
Also Miranda was a great character herself. The * scenes were not there to sell the game. LMFAO.
And if it offends you... boo hoo?
No wonder america gets stuff like Abby or the girl from gears of War in our games.
Can we go back please.
Have to agree with you on this. Where was the sexualization outrage in the "naked swap scene" in Mass Effect Andromeda?? How about the shirtless Jacob or video of him doing situps(DLC shadowbroker)?? What about James Vega, jarhead extreme, but with muscles out to there, always flexing and showing off??
How about EVERY male hero having a 6pk abs, and WIDE shoulders, narrow waists, and tight butts that less than 5% of the men will ever have?? Yet, when we hear about over sexualization and objectification it is ALWAYS only about women, and how they look.
Hate to break it, but humans are a sexual species....it is biological to want to procreate and having issues with this is stupid, and most times caused either by jealousy, or feeling of inadequacy. I personally want the characters in my games(and movies) to be larger than life, more perfect than possible and more beautiful than 99% of the world....if I wanted mundane and ordinary, I will go talk to my neighbors or co-workers. I want the escape.
@mcsupersport wrote:Have to agree with you on this. Where was the sexualization outrage in the "naked swap scene" in Mass Effect Andromeda?? How about the shirtless Jacob or video of him doing situps(DLC shadowbroker)?? What about James Vega, jarhead extreme, but with muscles out to there, always flexing and showing off??
How about EVERY male hero having a 6pk abs, and WIDE shoulders, narrow waists, and tight butts that less than 5% of the men will ever have?? Yet, when we hear about over sexualization and objectification it is ALWAYS only about women, and how they look.
Hate to break it, but humans are a sexual species....it is biological to want to procreate and having issues with this is stupid, and most times caused either by jealousy, or feeling of inadequacy. I personally want the characters in my games(and movies) to be larger than life, more perfect than possible and more beautiful than 99% of the world....if I wanted mundane and ordinary, I will go talk to my neighbors or co-workers. I want the escape.
They use the excuse calling it a "power fantasy" from what I have read about this same topic talking about guys whatever the * that means.
I completely agree with both of you. Especially with what's been going on with not only games but movies as well. At some point this biased one sided censorship all has to stop I am sure I am not the only one absolutely fed up with our beloved franchises each and every one of them being absolutely trashed by all this, which the majority never asked for. On top of the points mcsupersport pointed out that sex appeal is a perfectly NORMAL thing. Going to escape for a bit to enjoy a good fantasy is perfectly fine, and that was ME's strong point covered from all angles (thinking of Jack). The original creators of ME intended on it being shot the way it was and thats the way that I wanted to experience it again without being bothered by all these weird nonsensical changes.
By the way despite all that sex appeal I was Liara all the way 😉. Hoping we get Liara back in the next ME haha.
Ultimately there should be no alterations or censorship but dammit if Bioware insists on altering it then give us the option to choose! Let us decide what we want to censor and let others experience it the way they want, but stop deciding for us!
