Kudos for you who remain here, hopeful for MEA success; and endure me as well. 😳 This thread is to talk about a possible anti-flirting or snapping option, that would prompt where the Flirting option happens, but only when talking to hostile people. The idea is making Ryder stand for him/herself and even for others on certain occasions. Keep in mind that, as long as we don't know how SAM learns from our behavior, would making Ryder snapping at people influence SAM being less warm and helpful than he is? This additional option is not really a RENEGADE thing. It would be most likely a FIRM opinion, usually DEFENSIVE. 👮 I also think that, regarding flirting, flirting could also be triggered from the other part, and we could turn down. The game only makes us flirt, make the first step, but I think it's only too logical that it could also come from the others, which would require your attention to read the signs. So, tell us if you like this idea or if you have something else in mind. ☕ "DIALOG SYSTEM | The 'ANTI-FLIRTING' or 'SNAP' option" this was the name of this thread. I'm so in need to understand how it shifted to "No Romance or dialog options with Iron Bull". EA, can you change it or ... explain?

The game presents us with many CONFRONT THIS ONE AND THAT ONE moments. I think Confront could be a sort of option we have along with the mood-like ones, mostly triggered by TIMED EVENTS. You choose CONFRONT, then 3 additional options appear to you: POLITE COLD AGGRESSIVE They are all you defending your position, but how you do it remains to be seen. Polite makes your position FIRM, but not really harassing, threatening or anything other than civilized conversation. Something on those lines.

No problem! Love the discussion btw. Some great ideas here. (Although to be honest, my Ryder flirts with everything he can flirt with. Would love to flirt with Addison and Sloane. Perhaps a "Flirt to spite them" option? 👿)

@PandaTar wrote: Kudos for you who remain here, hopeful for MEA success; and endure me as well. 😳 This thread is to talk about a possible anti-flirting or snapping option, that would prompt where the Flirting option happens, but only when talking to hostile people. The idea is making Ryder stand for him/herself and even for others on certain occasions. Keep in mind that, as long as we don't know how SAM learns from our behavior, would making Ryder snapping at people influence SAM being less warm and helpful than he is? This additional option is not really a RENEGADE thing. It would be most likely a FIRM opinion, usually DEFENSIVE. 👮 I also think that, regarding flirting, flirting could also be triggered from the other part, and we could turn down. The game only makes us flirt, make the first step, but I think it's only too logical that it could also come from the others, which would require your attention to read the signs. So, tell us if you like this idea or if you have something else in mind. ☕ "DIALOG SYSTEM | The 'ANTI-FLIRTING' or 'SNAP' option" this was the name of this thread. I'm so in need to understand how it shifted to "No Romance or dialog options with Iron Bull". EA, can you change it or ... explain? I really wish there was times in some romances where the LI made a first move, not always Ryder! And also other characters too, why is Ryder the only flirty ine on the galaxy ? Why are others the only ones who can shut down flirts too? Considering though how lacking some romances are - well most of them, in this im not really surprised. Overall these types of character interactions weren't given a lot of attention ☹️

I would love something like that. 1. I think NPC/Crew etc should start flirting and Ryder should be able to like or dislike that. 2. Ryder needs some option which is more defensive or firm. I had some moments in the game where I looked at the dialgue options and thought they are not strong enough. Ryder always stays "the same". Sometimes sarcastic, sometimes emotional...etc, but Ryder never just says "ok, I had enough. Don't continue/don't insult me/don't hurt anyone again" thing.

Actually, there are two parts I really like about your original idea Panda. First, the same idea has often been expressed by folks who didn't like Fallout 4. The problem is options. Development teams (or management, as the case may be) aren't giving us enough options in games these days. I've seen mod authors provide better optional content than an original game provides, with decent voice acting, for FREE. I personally ALWAYS play the good guy/girl. But that doesn't mean I believe people should have no option to be assertive, aggressive, defensive, or just plan rude and mean. It's a game. People should be able to play how they want, switch it up with different playthroughs, etc. So, I'm all for the types of options you're describing. Would I use those? No. But there are plenty of people who would and they should be able to do so. Second, and more interesting to me, is the affect on SAM you mentioned. NEVER thought about that and I've dove quite a bit into my thoughts on SAM, even some of the posts I've made on these forums. I'm not someone who cares about SAM's implant or his ability to stop my heart at any time. I don't think conspiracy theories about SAM or think anything bad will come of the symbiotic relationship "in general". However, I didn't have the option to be an a-hole either. If those options were added, would SAM then become more negative, vengeful, violent? Is it possible that SAM would recognize your negative actions and consider some of them wrong. If you continued down a destructive path, would SAM even want to no longer be in a symbiotic relationship with you. Would SAM in a sense choose the better path. Great question to bring up!

DIALOG SYSTEM | The 'ANTI-FLIRTING' or 'SNAP' option

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jpcerutti1
9 years ago
I like the name. 🙂

Anything to add to make Ryder more assertive, even if it were just passive-aggressive snark, would help. I know they're not Shepard, I know they're supposed to be green, and I know this is a coming of age story.... but I'm supposed to not only be roleplaying them but developing a leader I want and can relate to - or at the least would want to follow.
fudgietroll
9 years ago
I would argue against the idea of Ryder being defensive for this option. Instead it should be aggressive, so Ryder can express that your attitude is not my problem, which, based on the threads I've read, is what everyone really wants to say. Admittedly, as someone who has enjoyed a fair share of Renegade actions in my ME career, allowing certain responses, especially anti-romance, to trigger an impulse move wheel near the end of them would also be appreciated. Sometimes a punk's just gotta' get hit, ya know?

Also, what does Iron Bull have to do with anything?
Anonymous
9 years ago
@fudgietroll wrote:

Also, what does Iron Bull have to do with anything?

My first post, bold part? This thread title wasn't mine. I didn't write it this way. Don't even know what Iron Bull is supposed to mean. I created the thread with another name, and it renamed itself like this. I don't know what happened.
fudgietroll
9 years ago
@PandaTar wrote:

@fudgietroll wrote:

Also, what does Iron Bull have to do with anything?

My first post, bold part? This thread title wasn't mine. I didn't write it this way. Don't even know what Iron Bull is supposed to mean. I created the thread with another name, and it renamed itself like this. I don't know what happened.

Sorry, missed that.😞
VladVonCastein
9 years ago
LOL I thought you posted a wrong topic for this forum! Iron Bull is a dragon age inquisition character lol...
Anonymous
9 years ago
I want an option to end romantic possibilities, but not necessarily have it be on the dialogue wheel. It's like Liam is straight and so am I. It's a bit irritating that for the longest time, every time I go to talk to him on the Tempest, I have the option to say I'm interested in him.

With the number of people that hate Liam (not saying I agree), I imagine plenty of folk don't want to see that option either.

I just wish, that like Peeebee and some others, there were ways to immediately not have the options to flirt with someone.
Anonymous
9 years ago
Hm, maybe one of those forum bugs which might fix itself tomorrow or so, like some of our posts which mysteriously get deleted here and there, only to resurface days later. I found one of my deleted threads yesterday.
VladVonCastein
9 years ago
On the topic of iron bull...

Coincidentally I am currently at Elaadin and doing the whole Morda thing SAM was reminding me about the history of Krogan and technology.... This reminded me of Iron Bull... Just wondering if they will pull an "Iron bull" on us. For the benefit of those who didnt play dragon age inquisition, Iron Bull is a character/follower much like drack.cora, peebee. As the story develops, there was a turning point for him to stay loyal to his country/race vs turn traitor. One of those decisions would lead to him fighting against the protagonist, so basically he went from follower to foe. Hmmm.... Just wondering if one day the Krogan will war against the nexus and Drack will turn "Iron Bull"...
JucieN7
9 years ago
I would love something like that.

1. I think NPC/Crew etc should start flirting and Ryder should be able to like or dislike that.

2. Ryder needs some option which is more defensive or firm. I had some moments in the game where I looked at the dialgue options and thought they are not strong enough. Ryder always stays "the same". Sometimes sarcastic, sometimes emotional...etc, but Ryder never just says "ok, I had enough. Don't continue/don't insult me/don't hurt anyone again" thing.
fudgietroll
9 years ago
@JucieN7 wrote:

I would love something like that.

2. Ryder needs some option which is more defensive or firm. I had some moments in the game where I looked at the dialgue options and thought they are not strong enough. Ryder always stays "the same". Sometimes sarcastic, sometimes emotional...etc, but Ryder never just says "ok, I had enough. Don't continue/don't insult me/don't hurt anyone again" thing.

Again, you are looking for aggressive, not defensive. Defensive implies that you are wrong/sorry/losing the argument, and are trying to cover it up (see politicians in CYA mode). I don't think that this is the kind of response any of us want. Firm is acceptable. Aggressive has it firmly established in your mind that if someone here is wrong it's not me (see Presidential Twitter feed). Being an * is not required, but if Ryder isn't wrong I don't want to act like the are.