Disappointing romance after the hype. Liam deserved better.

Wow i am amazed that here wasnt a single reply about "better ways to get off, get a girl/boyfriend, browse on some xxx sites but dont spamm this kid forum with adult stuff" Only great disscusion about how shallow bioware created the romance part in this game, good work keep going *thumbs up*

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@onemadvagabond wrote:

Liam is one of the worst ME characters ever.  The worst ME crew character ever.  After all the problems he causes, and the screwup's he makes, they should have had the option to space him.  Crisis response? but he cannot handle pressure and freaks out over every little thing.  What a horrible character.

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Like the Ryder twins, Liam is very young. First day in Andromeda he sees a friend get killed right before him and can't stop it - he is entitled to a little freaking out.

His loyalty mission he was more nervous than anything and fully willing to own the fact that he may have stuffed up. Yet he did the right thing by getting help.

Sometimes its easy to forget they are all young - and thrown right into the worst possible senario from day 1 in andromeda.

His reactions where real. He isn't perfect and that's okay. He still has growing and learning to do, really most of them do other than the ancient Draak.

Still, this is about how his romance needs improvement and how straight female players very often get the short end of the romance stick compaired to male players. That it's really past time this was addressed and improved, at the least we should get one decent human male option.

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@Nykara360 wrote:

Like the Ryder twins, Liam is very young. First day in Andromeda he sees a friend get killed right before him and can't stop it - he is entitled to a little freaking out.

His loyalty mission he was more nervous than anything and fully willing to own the fact that he may have stuffed up. Yet he did the right thing by getting help.

Sometimes its easy to forget they are all young - and thrown right into the worst possible senario from day 1 in andromeda.

His reactions where real. He isn't perfect and that's okay. He still has growing and learning to do, really most of them do other than the ancient Draak.

Still, this is about how his romance needs improvement and how straight female players very often get the short end of the romance stick compaired to male players. That it's really past time this was addressed and improved, at the least we should get one decent human male option.

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I fully agree that the female Ryder deserves a better male LI option.  The thing is, everything I stated about the Liam character shows why he cannot be it.  Liam was a terribly written character.  A crisis response specialist who freaks out when anything goes wrong.  He's frustrated about relations between the Angara and the initiative even though they don't have one yet because they just met.  And he comes up with a plan that puts people's lives unnecessarily at risk and just makes it worse with each step and the only responses are basically that it's OK because he meant well.  His dialogue and reactions are all over the place and nonsensical to top it all off.  There is a reason why if you do a search for best to worst characters of ME:A the Liam character is at the bottom of them all.

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@onemadvagabond wrote:

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@Nykara360 wrote:

Like the Ryder twins, Liam is very young. First day in Andromeda he sees a friend get killed right before him and can't stop it - he is entitled to a little freaking out.

His loyalty mission he was more nervous than anything and fully willing to own the fact that he may have stuffed up. Yet he did the right thing by getting help.

Sometimes its easy to forget they are all young - and thrown right into the worst possible senario from day 1 in andromeda.

His reactions where real. He isn't perfect and that's okay. He still has growing and learning to do, really most of them do other than the ancient Draak.

Still, this is about how his romance needs improvement and how straight female players very often get the short end of the romance stick compaired to male players. That it's really past time this was addressed and improved, at the least we should get one decent human male option.

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I fully agree that the female Ryder deserves a better male LI option.  The thing is, everything I stated about the Liam character shows why he cannot be it.  Liam was a terribly written character.  A crisis response specialist who freaks out when anything goes wrong.  He's frustrated about relations between the Angara and the initiative even though they don't have one yet because they just met.  And he comes up with a plan that puts people's lives unnecessarily at risk and just makes it worse with each step and the only responses are basically that it's OK because he meant well.  His dialogue and reactions are all over the place and nonsensical to top it all off.  There is a reason why if you do a search for best to worst characters of ME:A the Liam character is at the bottom of them all.

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What Liam did, didn't put anyones lives at risk. He only thought it may have.

What happened to those Angara was completely separate to Liam giving them those specs. In fact he pulled people together with his actions, human and Angara. The Angara in question where just as willing to take a risk, but what happened with those pirates was totally separate, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time and the pirates where using them for slave labour, thats all. None of it was even Liams fault but it was a good thing someone made friends with and kept tabs on them or they would never have been rescued. By doing so he cemented the friendships with them even further.

What he did was build bridges and friendships where the nexus was unwilling to do so. Sometimes you need to take in the whole picture. He wasn't wrong about the nexus council being unwilling to form bridges, they are worse than the citadel council.

Liam, like Kaidan who was also often at the bottom of lists is a very miss understood character because for the most part he is a normal, decent human being without a tradgic backstory (or in Kaidans case didn't need to be 'fixed). For some reason a lot of people find that 'boring' but not everyone.

A lot of what ive read on tumblr from people is simply that Liam is 'boring'. Well his romance certainly is because it has no spice what so ever.

You want to talk about disappointing romance options? Try having zero team members available and 1.5 NPCs to choose from: Gil and Reyes. Reyes is typically the better choice, too, since his personality is much more interesting than Gil's.... and to add insult to injury, not only do you only get a dance with Reyes (which is a clear swap from SisRyder since you stare at the ceiling while you dance), but Gil is just a fade to black. Can't even have a good conversational flow with Reyes, either, since he stays on Kadara. 

DA:I did this better. ME3 did this better. Why did MEA go in reverse? 

Playing SisRyder,   I had to google Reyes's romance,  because it felt so incomplete I didn't feel like we even knew eachother much yet,  and I didn't even realize there was a fade to black until I read an email that implied as much.

I kept waiting for the next scene.   I felt cheated that I was now locked out of trying a better character.    Jaal and Peebee are the only barely half-decent options,  which I measure in no small part with "Exposure" and Intimacy.       

WHY in the absolute reaper-loving heavens do some romances get to have some measure of quality (and nudity) while others are barely more than flirting and only get fade to blacks?

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@sirexodus84 wrote:

You want to talk about disappointing romance options? Try having zero team members available and 1.5 NPCs to choose from: Gil and Reyes. Reyes is typically the better choice, too, since his personality is much more interesting than Gil's.... and to add insult to injury, not only do you only get a dance with Reyes (which is a clear swap from SisRyder since you stare at the ceiling while you dance), but Gil is just a fade to black. Can't even have a good conversational flow with Reyes, either, since he stays on Kadara. 

DA:I did this better. ME3 did this better. Why did MEA go in reverse? 

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Yes. I already said I get why the m/m romances needed a fix first. Overall you guys have had it the worst over all the games.

Romances for straight female players across the board comes a close second. Even in DAI where we get Cullen, Iron Bull or two guys who are *.

As for Mass Effect, Garrus and Kaidan are the only ones who carry through for us, but at least we got Kaidan in the first game.

Now this time Jaal is the only one with a decent romance. If you arent into seeing naked aliens ur pretty much out of luck. Liams romance is even worse than Reyes. 

So yeah we arent saying we have it worse than m/m players, but we don't have it much better. We are still almost as over looked and it's past time both are addressed when you look at what straight male players get.

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@Sirenapples wrote:

Playing SisRyder,   I had to google Reyes's romance,  because it felt so incomplete I didn't feel like we even knew eachother much yet,  and I didn't even realize there was a fade to black until I read an email that implied as much.

I kept waiting for the next scene.   I felt cheated that I was now locked out of trying a better character.    Jaal and Peebee are the only barely half-decent options,  which I measure in no small part with "Exposure" and Intimacy.       

WHY in the absolute reaper-loving heavens do some romances get to have some measure of quality (and nudity) while others are barely more than flirting and only get fade to blacks?

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I know right?!

Why would they also claim plenty of banging when only 3 out of all the romances even get an on screen sex scene?

Why unbalance all of the romances this way? Equalize them all, is it really that difficult?

If they want to make an ace char - make one who specifically says they are ace. If they want to make a character like Liam where sex was obviously involved  (he said as much). Give them the sex scene. Don't give it to one and fade it for another. Give players proper balanced choices so we can take the romance we want - with all the trimmings.

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@Nykara360 wrote:

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@sirexodus84 wrote:

You want to talk about disappointing romance options? Try having zero team members available and 1.5 NPCs to choose from: Gil and Reyes. Reyes is typically the better choice, too, since his personality is much more interesting than Gil's.... and to add insult to injury, not only do you only get a dance with Reyes (which is a clear swap from SisRyder since you stare at the ceiling while you dance), but Gil is just a fade to black. Can't even have a good conversational flow with Reyes, either, since he stays on Kadara. 

DA:I did this better. ME3 did this better. Why did MEA go in reverse? 

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Yes. I already said I get why the m/m romances needed a fix first. Overall you guys have had it the worst over all the games.

Romances for straight female players across the board comes a close second. Even in DAI where we get Cullen, Iron Bull or two guys who are *.

As for Mass Effect, Garrus and Kaidan are the only ones who carry through for us, but at least we got Kaidan in the first game.

Now this time Jaal is the only one with a decent romance. If you arent into seeing naked aliens ur pretty much out of luck. Liams romance is even worse than Reyes. 

So yeah we arent saying we have it worse than m/m players, but we don't have it much better. We are still almost as over looked and it's past time both are addressed when you look at what straight male players get.

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Sorry. My post might've come out too head strong. Didn't mean to imply you downplayed it! Me thinks the frustration had me with twitchy trigger typing. XD 

As for Reyes? Its sad that the bulk of your relationship with him is hearing all your team members talk about how its a bad idea. Well, except for Vetra. She first asked me if I'm the queen of Kadara, then referred to me as Pathfinder-Baronese. She's my new BFF, second to Jaal. Cause seriously, one of my favorites in this game. 

I ended up doing the same thing...googling to see if that really was the last cutscene...and it was. He either needs his own DLC (which should be free since its so bloody incomplete, but you know it won't be) or just...I don't know. A patch to give us more options? Bring back some voice actors for some pronoun switching lines...make more NPCs viable... I'm sure SOMEONE out there has a Ryder-Tanner ship headcanon. Just...something....and make all the current romances something good to look at. WITHOUT LAZY CODING. Its annoying that the animations clip and look weird because they didn't reanimate for changes of gender (example: Peebee and SisRyder / Reyes and BroRyder). 

I think we could all write multi-page essays as to why the romance options in this game was one of its bigger disappointments. 

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Get this one. Liam right there when SAM stops Sara's heart  -- zero reaction!

He makes a tiny joke / comment about it after the fact and thats it.

So much for Mr. Freakout. Doesn't even care the girl he likes is dying.