I Like Sloane

I do not like Reyes and Tann! I do not like them, SAM-I-am.

Honestly if Reyes does turn out to be an idiot - there are going to be a lot of disappointed female fans who once again get shafted with the crappy romance option or the tradgic romance or whatever. And the poor gay/bi guys out there who only have 2 romance options to begin with lets not do it to them either.

did somebody just say that sloane was involved with the uprising on the nexus from the very beginning, and wasn't a turn coat? i saw it when i was reading through those mega posts and now i can't seem to find it. or did i just misread something?

if somebody actually did think that sloane was in it at the very beginning, hate to tell you... you're dead wrong. she was nexus at first, then completely switched sides, murdered a few people along the way. a complete betrayal. Darth Sidious would no doubt approve.

actually her betrayal was justified she had almost solved the uprising only to be blind sided by management by her own words :D

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@ViViD_Prime wrote:

actually her betrayal was justified she had almost solved the uprising only to be blind sided by management by her own words :D

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i haven't heard this yet... what's the source?

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@Nykara360 wrote:

Honestly if Reyes does turn out to be an idiot - there are going to be a lot of disappointed female fans who once again get shafted with the crappy romance option or the tradgic romance or whatever. And the poor gay/bi guys out there who only have 2 romance options to begin with lets not do it to them either.

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Unfortunately, I see Reyes going about as well as Jacob did (there was a fork in your back out of the blue). Maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised.

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@jpcerutti1 wrote:

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@Nykara360 wrote:

Honestly if Reyes does turn out to be an idiot - there are going to be a lot of disappointed female fans who once again get shafted with the crappy romance option or the tradgic romance or whatever. And the poor gay/bi guys out there who only have 2 romance options to begin with lets not do it to them either.

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Unfortunately, I see Reyes going about as well as Jacob did (there was a fork in your back out of the blue). Maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised.

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i hope so, i'm about fed up with being unpleasantly surprised, i must be getting jaded in my advanced years... i'm 33- going on 80

@jpcerutti1

If I don't shoot him I am no more or less an ally than I ever was AND all I did was prevent him from killing Sloane. The 'war' that follows is all on him/them - as is any cleanup action if Sloane dies. I can't claim credit for shortening any bloodshed - nor do I get the blame if blood flows. Not my war to start or stop.

You are absolutely right - from Ryder's perspective. From perspective of Collective agents: You just decided that many more of them will die in a war that could have been avoided (without Sloane Outcasts surprisingly easily disperse). So when You visit Collective's hidden base again they are fully aware that probably more then half or them will die because of Your decision. Is it surprising that they believe You to be their enemy?

@fudgietroll

Drugs-

Trust Reyes or don't, but when he is in charge if he wanted them gone...

This is not exactly true: Reyes never wanted to "govern". He is an opportunist, and he usually works with criminals (in a ~similar way that Vetra does).  He opposes Sloane, Roekaar fanatics, and other threats - but he is not truly a *vigiliante*. He is not interested in making laws, he is not interested in reducing crime. He simply dislikes when people are mistreated, when honest merchants and craftsmen cannot get rich, when society decays... And even so, it is probably only because poor society makes his illicit trade more difficult.

He is obviously not deprived of positive emotions and goals (after all he helped Dr. Nakamoto with his clinic, right?), but he is far from being a do-gooder, and he is DEFINITELY not a paragon of justice.

Reyes is not going to fight pirates, cannibals, or drug dealers unless they become a real threat (or unless they get rich themselves). It would not surprise me if he allowed some low-lives to produce and deal drugs. On the other hand I would be very unhappy if *his own men* produced and dealt drugs.

Torture-

You apparently haven't found the torture room out in the Badlands yet. Definitely the Collective, definitely a lot more than a beating. Go find it and get back to me

You are right about the room - I have seen it. It was used for interrogations. There is even a datapad there that explains that the last "victim" was an Outcast pirate that captured and killed one of the Collective agents. Collective wanted to learn about their friend, as they hoped to release her.

It does not surprise me that interrogation room looks scary - actually that is the whole point. You are right that it is another example where Collective agents gave a thorough beating to someone - but once again, it was administered to Outcast criminal rather than to civvies. So it is still a bit better in my eyes than what Outcast do.

Vehn Terev is a traitor and a spy and admits it. By the laws of war he can be killed on the spot even outside of pirate colonies.

Uh... What law of war? Is there some intergalactic law that binds Milky Way species and Angara alike? Is it some custom on Earth that government of one country is allowed to kill subjects of another country because they broke some laws or regulations in this other country? Has Vehn Terev broken any of the Kadara laws? Or has the Resistance or Moshae herself - the only parties that were betrayed - asked for Vehn Terev to be killed?

Theoretically she could turn him over to Aya, but she doesn't have a map and the local Angara want Aya to But Out (see Kedara intel in Resistance HQ).

Uh... That is really, really stretched. Sloane know about Resistance, and actually Ryder himself/herself is eager to take Vehn Terev to Aya. So... Nope, there is no reason NOT TO give Vehn Terev to the Resistance.

Her final option is to give him to a representative of a government she is still more or less at war with who shows up and promptly demands she hand him over.

As far as I can tell Sloane is only at war with the Kett. And possibly with the Nexus...

Note: if a "him" wanted to go in shooting it was probably Kandros not Sloane, as Sloane is a "her".

English is not my first language. I am trying really hard to use it proficiently, but it happens from time to time that I fail. Perhaps I was a bit too emotional about my previous post, and thus forgot about the proper grammar. What I meant was that Tann and Addison had to stop Sloane from jettisoning first rebels on the Nexus.

Guerilla War-

Every Guerilla organization claims it either is an independent country or government or represents an independent country or government.

Collective does not.

The Collective and the Outcasts pretty much seemed equal military-wise, and I doubt you will find many people who would buy the idea that the Outcasts are vastly more powerful than the Collective.

You are mainly right. While Collective started weak, by the time Ryder visits Kadara it has grown, and seems to rival Outcasts in this aspect. So yes: it started weaker, but then it has grown. Which is just another proof of how much exiles must hate Sloane's dictatorship.

High Noon/Base-

Robin Hood has never shot the Sherriff in the back in any portrayal I've seen.

There is a nice serie by Angus Donald, in which Robin Hood seems almost to be a head of mafia.

But You are right.

So let me give You another example: Han Solo shot Greedo in a "treacherous" way, which is even more evident in the original (not enhanced) version of "New Hope". Is Han Solo so bad?   ;-)

Fewer people know the story of when David grew up, became king, and had an adult son of his own. (...) I feel like somewhere in there is an analogy to Reyes

It is a nice parallel, but I believe it matches Spender rather than Reyes. Do You rally think that Reyes stops Sloane from helping others? Like, I do not know... From beating civvies and selling drugs?   ;-)

@ViViD_Prime

@CasperTheLich

actually her betrayal was justified she had almost solved the uprising only to be blind sided by management by her own words :D

It is a bit more complex.

Sloane went to Calix to "negotiate" without informing Tann or Addison or Kesh - or literally anybody - about the fact. Her disappearance was one of the reasons why Nexus leaders got even more nervous (You know, Sloane was a leader of Nexus security, and it was moments after a clash between Rebels and Nexus forces), and so they decided to act immediately. And I would say that Sloane was very far from actually succeeding in negotiations. True, Calix was willing to speak to her, but not to surrender. Actually it was the other way around: Calix had almost persuaded Slaone. Or, well, actually he HAD persuaded Sloane. He suggested to dismiss Tann and Addison, and to give Nexus to Sloane. Sloane was considering his offer, oblivious to the fact that others (including Nexus security) may not be too happy with the solution. But even so, the proposal was never forwarded to the Nexus leaders.

When Morda and her warriors appeared, Sloane suggested to Calix to give up as she believed that Rebels stand no chance against Nakmor clan. Calix rejected and attacked the approaching Krogans. Then when fight started, Morda clearly suggested Sloane to get back "to the right side". In this very moment Sloane betrayed the Nexus, and sided with the Rebels.

So, uh... It was like a full-fledged betrayal to me.

Can Reyes do this?

So, all your argument is invalid. PUUU-HOHOHO

That's awesome