@jpcerutti1 wrote:
I think there are a couple threads about this. Why there are any exiles left outside of Kadara Port that aren't lone hermits or homesteaders by the end of the game is a mystery - and the sovereign nation of Advent must consist of all the people standing around in that encounter... a la Republic of Dave
Which is why I went for the water rather than the natural gas. If the "sovereign nation" of Advent wants nothing to do with the Initiative and wants to go it alone, why should I care about their well-being? Grab the water for Prodromos and let the idiot sovereign citizen nutters fend for themselves like they wanted to. Screw 'em.
@pyrion wrote:
@jpcerutti1 wrote:
I think there are a couple threads about this. Why there are any exiles left outside of Kadara Port that aren't lone hermits or homesteaders by the end of the game is a mystery - and the sovereign nation of Advent must consist of all the people standing around in that encounter... a la Republic of Dave
Which is why I went for the water rather than the natural gas. If the "sovereign nation" of Advent wants nothing to do with the Initiative and wants to go it alone, why should I care about their well-being? Grab the water for Prodromos and let the idiot sovereign citizen nutters fend for themselves like they wanted to. Screw 'em.
my thoughts too. if they wanted to go independent, they should have brought enough supplies and equipment to sustain them. damn fools...
Putting Your own by a wall because they do not trust politics such as Tann? Making them suffer and either die or be forced to attack You just because You are temporarily on the stronger side?
Seriously, I see no good reason NOT to help them. It is a win-win situation. Actually when there is then a question in game "should we help them with Ketts or other dangers if need be?" my answer is always "yes, definitely". People are social animals, they need numbers to succeed. There are many reasons why people have issues with cooperating, but if we are not setting a good exemple ourselves, and are eager to scr** others for petty reasons...
...well, selfish people usually die alone. :-(
@CasperTheLich wrote:
@pyrion wrote:
@jpcerutti1 wrote:
I think there are a couple threads about this. Why there are any exiles left outside of Kadara Port that aren't lone hermits or homesteaders by the end of the game is a mystery - and the sovereign nation of Advent must consist of all the people standing around in that encounter... a la Republic of Dave
Which is why I went for the water rather than the natural gas. If the "sovereign nation" of Advent wants nothing to do with the Initiative and wants to go it alone, why should I care about their well-being? Grab the water for Prodromos and let the idiot sovereign citizen nutters fend for themselves like they wanted to. Screw 'em.
my thoughts too. if they wanted to go independent, they should have brought enough supplies and equipment to sustain them. damn fools...
I chose the water because why would I want to destroy the planet I just fixed? Even of the destruction is slow and not within Ryders lifetime it seems counter productive to everything we have tried to accomplish.
@Nykara360 wrote:
I chose the water because why would I want to destroy the planet I just fixed? Even of the destruction is slow and not within Ryders lifetime it seems counter productive to everything we have tried to accomplish
this too. help idiots and help to destroy the planet you're trying to save... because Eos is still delicate at this point. any damage could kill the ecosystem, and even if it doesn't, it could still cripple colonization and set back the effort to settle there by stalling planet wide improvements.
Seriously people? And how do You think Initiative is going to obtain fuel or energy? Do You really believe there will be no animals or farms, and that everyone in Initiative is a vegetarian? Do You believe Initiative is not going to use any synthetic materials?
We are talking about balanced development, and actually gas is much safer to environment than coal - especially with modern processing.
It would be nice if people could process energy directly from sun like Angara - but they do not.
Eventually... Sure, rem-tech is able to remove radioactivity from planet in a matter of days, but just a small quantity of CO2 is going to be a problem... Like... Really???
You can bet that when Voeld starts to thaw ice, there will be MUCH more CO2 released into Voeld atmosphere than this gas can ever bring to Eos... :-/
i though it was the seismic activity form the architect that shifted the water?
As far as I understand the story, Advent enclave had a lot of water - it was literally founded on a spring or something - but then Initiative asked Ryder to use seismic hammers to employ seismic activity that Architect was causing to redirect water to Prodromos. In the result Advent started to lose water, and they went to investigate. The last seismic hammer can be used either to steal the rest of their water for the Initiative; or to open gas deposit, that Advent is willing to mine for the Initiative. Advent would still like to be paid for their work with *mining*, but they would be providing resulting gas to Initiative, which clearly implies that it would be of great use to Prodromos. An alternative is to make it a bit easier for Prodromos to have some irrigation with the stolen water, at the cost of hundreds of dead Advent citizens - and no gas for Initiative.
So no, it was not architect itself, it was not that Advent was stupid - Initiative is asking Ryder to steal water from their neighbors, and to sentence them to death in the result RATHER THAN to have some good neighbors that are willing to work for Initiative as gas miners.
Two additional points:
- Advent made it very clear that they are not against the Initiative, but that they simply do not trust Tann, and just decided to go independent. They are happy to see Pathfinder, to cooperate with Prodromos, and generally to share land, and to "invite others to their capitol".
- Prodromos has enough water to sustain all their needs; they wish for water so they can grow more plants. And taking into account that Initiative has access to huge resources of water on Veold, it is not even realistic "need" - it is just a convenience.
So no, I do not believe that Advent is stupid, or that they deserve to die because of Initiative's greed. I believe that they can occur to be good neighbors, and that it is worthwhile to cooperate with them as much as Initiative can. Anything else means that Ryder turns into something like Sloane or those dead Angarans from Kurinth's Valley on Kadara.
