i though it was the seismic activity form the architect that shifted the water?
As far as I understand the story, Advent enclave had a lot of water - it was literally founded on a spring or something - but then Initiative asked Ryder to use seismic hammers to employ seismic activity that Architect was causing to redirect water to Prodromos. In the result Advent started to lose water, and they went to investigate. The last seismic hammer can be used either to steal the rest of their water for the Initiative; or to open gas deposit, that Advent is willing to mine for the Initiative. Advent would still like to be paid for their work with *mining*, but they would be providing resulting gas to Initiative, which clearly implies that it would be of great use to Prodromos. An alternative is to make it a bit easier for Prodromos to have some irrigation with the stolen water, at the cost of hundreds of dead Advent citizens - and no gas for Initiative.
So no, it was not architect itself, it was not that Advent was stupid - Initiative is asking Ryder to steal water from their neighbors, and to sentence them to death in the result RATHER THAN to have some good neighbors that are willing to work for Initiative as gas miners.
Two additional points:
- Advent made it very clear that they are not against the Initiative, but that they simply do not trust Tann, and just decided to go independent. They are happy to see Pathfinder, to cooperate with Prodromos, and generally to share land, and to "invite others to their capitol".
- Prodromos has enough water to sustain all their needs; they wish for water so they can grow more plants. And taking into account that Initiative has access to huge resources of water on Veold, it is not even realistic "need" - it is just a convenience.
So no, I do not believe that Advent is stupid, or that they deserve to die because of Initiative's greed. I believe that they can occur to be good neighbors, and that it is worthwhile to cooperate with them as much as Initiative can. Anything else means that Ryder turns into something like Sloane or those dead Angarans from Kurinth's Valley on Kadara.
i don't recall any of that being stated anywhere. are you sure you're not just making assumptions that back up your point of view?
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besides the advent not being against initiative part. i do remember that.
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iirc, at prodromos they say that there's massive seismic activity and it's altered the underground landscape.
Yes, I am quite sure. You can easily check for Yourself - there are dozens of gameplays on Youtube, just check for "Andromeda Making an impression", e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eeBF2LbERk
Hainly Abrams: Eos has massive underground rivers we can't tap. But altering those tremors just right might crack the ground for irrigation.
Then in the place where Ryder is to use the last seismic hammer...
Advent Scout: We didn't come to Andromeda to fuel Director Tann's regime. In Advent, we're free citizens. (...) Ha, I should get you a passport for our capital. Maybe when the showers work again. Our water table dropped recently, like the rivers ground were running dry. We tracked the problem out here.
Ryder: There's been seismic activity. We're using that and a survey hammer to tap the rivers.
Scout: Oh, sh**. Advent needs that water supply to stay independent. Would you... consider a deal? Our survey showed a massive natural gas deposit nearby. Your hammer taps that instead, we mine the gas, and trade it to your outpost. Everyone wins. (...) Look, I can't argue with your guns. Just remember there's a lot of citizens downstream.
@Kondaru i'll check for myself as i don't recall the convo going like that. but if it's right. i'll have to concur. though i still think tapping the gas veins is still an environmental issue.
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you're right, i'm wrong. though you still have to choose between: advent/prodromos & the environment. i happen to think siding with prodromos is the right call in this situation. you don't. that's it.
@Kondaru wrote:
As far as I understand the story, Advent enclave had a lot of water - it was literally founded on a spring or something - but then Initiative asked Ryder to use seismic hammers to employ seismic activity that Architect was causing to redirect water to Prodromos. In the result Advent started to lose water, and they went to investigate. The last seismic hammer can be used either to steal the rest of their water for the Initiative; or to open gas deposit, that Advent is willing to mine for the Initiative. Advent would still like to be paid for their work with *mining*, but they would be providing resulting gas to Initiative, which clearly implies that it would be of great use to Prodromos. An alternative is to make it a bit easier for Prodromos to have some irrigation with the stolen water, at the cost of hundreds of dead Advent citizens - and no gas for Initiative.
So no, it was not architect itself, it was not that Advent was stupid - Initiative is asking Ryder to steal water from their neighbors, and to sentence them to death in the result RATHER THAN to have some good neighbors that are willing to work for Initiative as gas miners.
Two additional points:
- Advent made it very clear that they are not against the Initiative, but that they simply do not trust Tann, and just decided to go independent. They are happy to see Pathfinder, to cooperate with Prodromos, and generally to share land, and to "invite others to their capitol".
- Prodromos has enough water to sustain all their needs; they wish for water so they can grow more plants. And taking into account that Initiative has access to huge resources of water on Veold, it is not even realistic "need" - it is just a convenience.
So no, I do not believe that Advent is stupid, or that they deserve to die because of Initiative's greed. I believe that they can occur to be good neighbors, and that it is worthwhile to cooperate with them as much as Initiative can. Anything else means that Ryder turns into something like Sloane or those dead Angarans from Kurinth's Valley on Kadara.
I'm sure they're going to include some future advantage (or malus) based on your decision - I'm not sure if you'll be able to avoid any future conflict entirely. It feels like they included them as an independent group on EOS just to be able to do that.
Dave was welcoming at first too IIRC, as long as I recognized him and slipped him a few caps for asylum paperwork.
