The poor guy, so many seem to not like him. So what I want to know is who out there does like him and what you like about him..Haters can stay away please! Just Liam positive here. One thread in which he doesn't end up bashed in.. you can give us that.The first thing I thought was sweet, was Liam sleeping on the floor in SAM node right at the begining when he barely even knew Ryder. A sign of someone who cares about others no matter what.

@Nykara360 wrote:I think what a lot fail to realize is the fact that the Pathfinder team arent actually under the Pathfinders orders per say. Its not an alliance military team its a civilian one. They are expected to assist the Pathfinder when asked but outside of that, they have their own asigned tasks to perform without having to run and ask permission to do it. They are supposed to just do it and then request back-up from the other team members when its needed.Its a big difference to an alliance military ship and crew like the Normandy was. Even a big difference to the SR2 when all crew where specifically told to follow Shepards orders.Each member of the Pathfinding team had a set job already assigned to them to just do when not required by the Pathfinder his/herself and there is the difference. Sara didn't have to contact her Dad to ask permission to scout once they landed on the planet she was just expected to do her job. Believe it or not, Liam was just doing his job, forging relationships with species and between colonies and used his own judgment on how best to achieve that. He also wasn't wrong, his instincts about those people were correct. The pirates timing was just bad luck, one didn't have anything to do with the other he just thought it was possible, so went to his team for backup feeling it was needed at that point in time. In doing so he further cemented those alliances as well.@Nykara360As others pointed out, you still have a chain of command even in civilian organizations, and while he has some latitude to do his job and IF it was alien diplomacy, he was still going around behind Ryder and using Ryder without letting them know what is going on. Look at the difference in how Vetra and Liam handle misc odd side jobs of theirs.....Liam--Hey Ryder go scan this dude....dude starts to protest and maybe cause diplomatic issue....Liam says, Hey Ryder forget about it and come chill with me.....Sorry, I was just trying to steal info from them because I couldn't get them to show me, sorry, I don't think we are really in trouble..... Now Vetra, she says, Hey Ryder, I am going to um, "conduct some business with Drack's help...umm, NO, you don't really want to know but don't worry, it's "legal" on Kadara. bye.... Now what is the main differences in these?? One, Vetra gives Ryder a deniability that Liam doesn't, two, Vetra uses the skills of the team to finesse the situation, and three she still tells Ryder basically what she is going to do, not details but general idea.Liam should have told Ryder WHY the scan was necessary and risks BEFORE the scan, and could have had Vetra see if she could swing a deal.The other things is Liam has training in police work and crisis response......NOT DIPLOMACY, and his job is Security NOT building bridges between cultures. He has no listed training in doing what he was trying to do. IT WASN'T HIS JOB.....he just saw a "problem" and he wanted to "fix it" .........The PATHFINDER is the one responsible for first contact, and then after that, the NEXUS would take over diplomatic relations between the Angara and Nexus, not a fly by his pants ex-cop on an exploration team.......There are SO many things wrong with what he did, and the why he did it, that it's not even funny. Personally, if I had a choice he would be let off either on the Nexus or Kadara permanently for gross negligence and stupidity.

@DarthLlama wrote:I have one positive thing to say about Liam..He was better then Cora.And as far as what we're allowed to say in this thread, you don't get to make that choice. Forums are for discussion and exchange of ideas an opinions. If you just want to hear your own voice, start a blog.I have a blog actually.Im also open to constructive criticism (anyone even here who knows me, knows this). What im tired of is all the airlock him, kill him off, he is boring etc comments that have no context, just sheep following the flock because its cool. Besides as far as I am aware, positivity is just as welcomed here as any negativity. Plenty of threads to post negatively about him if you wish to do so.. you don't have to taint a positive thread. I asked nicely, I wasn't trying to be rude (the opositr infact).@lagruej My last one about his romance was different. This isn't about his romance specifically - just the character. The thread about his romance being poorly done (as other romances ig where) was another discussion entirely. This isn't about game mechanics etc.Im not trying to validate anything. I like Liam, I don't require any validation for liking a character or not liking one. Im also allowed to be curious if anyone else does and what they like about said char.

@rugster wrote:Yeh when Liam says his memorable line, it made me burst out laughing and surely that's the aim of that line. So how can anyone hate it? Doesn't make sence. ??What memorable line??? I honestly don't remember any real good laughing lines from him. Drack, Vetra and even Cora I could fairly easily relate too and understand their character.....Liam, sorry can't. The thing about Liam that really irks me is he was in crisis response, that is the one place that cool heads and solid rational decisions HAVE to be made 100% of the time or people die. Yet time and time again, Liam doesn't live up to his backstory, he is emotional in decision making, he isn't to my mind rational in those decisions and not very cool or collected under stress. To me his backstory doesn't fit him AT ALL, and that annoys the dog poo out of me when it comes to characters. The other thing that really irks me about his character is after every bad decision, Ryder basically goes....UHH, ok, whatever...you can't really tell him off, you can't correct him for going AROUND YOU...not so much around higher ups, but AROUND YOU!!! He is pulling BS behind YOUR back and then you have to deal with the fallout or * from it, and you can't do a dang thing about it to him.Things I like about him.....1) He doesn't shoot me in the back during a mission......2)3)When I find more I will post them.....😎

@Nykara360 wrote:@holger1405 wrote:@PandaTar @Nykara360 @lagruejKeep it civil guys, Liam is a interesting subject to discuses, I would hate it to close this thread because the discussion goes below the belt. @lagruej"lol" is not exactly a grown up form of response. You have every right to have an different opinion about Liam as @Nykara360 has, (As I have too.) but do not attack him personally just because of that.At this point, the thread needs to be locked.Apparently the question of who likes Liam and what they like about him wasn't clear enough that all the people who dislike the character felt the need to do what I asked not to be done.Sometimes threads go off topic, especially when discussing controversial events and characters that people hold strong views about, such as I Like Sloane. It may be worth it to just roll with the punches and fight your corner. If you do it right you may change some minds or at least have a fun debate.😎Anyway, Liam's a nice, well-meaning guy, but if Tann ever gets wind of what he has been up to/decides to stop placating Ryder then Liam will be exiled.Honestly though, if there is an anti-Cerberus, bloody, homicidal, ruthless, at-all-costs terrorists out to ensure everyone just gets along, Liam definitely works for them.😉

I like how Liam was a doer. A lot of people are scared to do and he isn't.It's not that I don't understand why people are cautious (the consequences can be dire for making the wrong decision) but Liam is an outside the box thinker who is willing to take risks and rather than just complain about things, he was trying to do something about it.If I could, I would have made him the Ambassador or whatever because he was already trying to bridge gaps without being given a title and his thinking on how to bridge those gaps was genius/brilliant sometimes. Making sure everyone had a voice mattered to him from the start. Building an understanding and healthy relationship between species already mattered to him and it mattered to him in a genuine way where he wasn't just trying to take advantage. He wants all of us to get along together and as equals.So I like Liam.EDIT:@fudgietroll"...I didn't know that this was Liam's job. I got the impression he was supposed to handle security..."Actually, according to the Pathfinder Field Team Manual, of which he is a part of said team, it is part of their job to"...Establish diplomatic relations with local inhabitants..."So Liam was taking initiative and doing his job on that front.

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morningsun15
9 years ago
I love Liam! I went to 5 gamestops until I found his funkopop figurine (why do they only have the Sara!?). Now, if only they just had a Vetra....
What I find really enjoyable about him is his enthusiasm. I don't really feel like we've had such an excited and open-minded Mass Effect character (Well, maybe James, but he's a little bit jaded from what happened in Paragon Lost). He really seems to just care about things with a deep passion and I always enjoyed talking to him.
Plus his loyalty mission was a lot fun, it made me think back to the amusement I had when playing Kasumi's loyalty mission in ME2.
VladVonCastein
9 years ago
Everyone will have positive and negative traits, if positives are the only things you wish to hear, I shall oblige. His positives, well, he's the only one who believes and backs ryder from day 1. After that you have that little team meeting where the team first met Jaal, Ryder was once again losing control of the crew and Liam backed Ryder once again. During the little banters in the nomad with PeeBee, she mentioned that he's always taking position close to Ryder, seems like a deliberate attempt to be the one protecting him. In any organisation, positive idealistic individuals are nice to have around, too much negativity could be cancerous. Think Bioware intention is to position him as the "Buddy" for Ryder and as the grassroots of the community(which is an extremely important role). With Ryder as the face of the initiative and a strong grassroots leader, the pair would do well. (However dont think this has been achieved due to the quality of writing)
Am a straight dude, never romanced him, so no comments on his romance story, physical attributes, looks etc.
Anonymous
9 years ago
I just knew right away that it was YOU posting this.

http://answers.ea.com/t5/Game-Information/Disappointing-romance-after-the-hype-Liam-deserved-better/m-p/5990842#M6476

I remember full well you telling me I couldn't be in that thread either. You and your confirmation bias threads ;p Too silly.

I think if you're gonna start threads like this - it should be a discussion open to all - not you saying "no dislikers allowed." Most of the reasons people dislike him far overshadow reasons to like him - but you are searching for one answer only, and that is the one that matches your own thoughts.

If that's the case - why replicate the exact same thread you made months ago (yeah that one focused purely on romance - but you were still looking for validation to your own opinion on Liam which is no different than now)?

You already know why people like or don't like him lol
DarthLlama
9 years ago
I have one positive thing to say about Liam..
He was better then Cora.
And as far as what we're allowed to say in this thread, you don't get to make that choice. Forums are for discussion and exchange of ideas an opinions. If you just want to hear your own voice, start a blog.
Anonymous
9 years ago
@DarthLlama wrote:
I have one positive thing to say about Liam..
He was better then Cora.
And as far as what we're allowed to say in this thread, you don't get to make that choice. Forums are for discussion and exchange of ideas an opinions. If you just want to hear your own voice, start a blog.
I have a blog actually.
Im also open to constructive criticism (anyone even here who knows me, knows this). What im tired of is all the airlock him, kill him off, he is boring etc comments that have no context, just sheep following the flock because its cool. Besides as far as I am aware, positivity is just as welcomed here as any negativity. Plenty of threads to post negatively about him if you wish to do so.. you don't have to taint a positive thread. I asked nicely, I wasn't trying to be rude (the opositr infact).
@lagruej My last one about his romance was different. This isn't about his romance specifically - just the character. The thread about his romance being poorly done (as other romances ig where) was another discussion entirely. This isn't about game mechanics etc.
Im not trying to validate anything. I like Liam, I don't require any validation for liking a character or not liking one. Im also allowed to be curious if anyone else does and what they like about said char.
DarthLlama
9 years ago
Fair enough, personally.. I was only neutral on Liam.
I didn't dislike him as much as I dislike Kaiden in the original trilogy, but the character didn't have enough substance to draw me in either.
The only one I just actively hate to talk to is Cora, I found her and her 'hero worship' to be annoying beyond belief.
Liam wasn't bad, I just liked the other characters a little better. Apologies if my reply sounded rude, that wasn't the intent. I believe I misread the tone of your original post.
In the end, ME:A had different things for each of us, for you.. you identified with Liam, that's not a bad thing. It's normal for people to be drawn to different characters in a game like this.
Rappeldrache
9 years ago
@Nykara360you are really nice. 🙂 I like you. And so: The ONLY nice thing at Liam is NYKARA360! 😉
(I still want to throw him trough the airlock. Never hated a NPC SO mutch like him.)
Sorry: I also think @lagruej is right. Sorry. 🤨
VladVonCastein
9 years ago
@DarthLlama wrote:
Fair enough, personally.. I was only neutral on Liam.
I didn't dislike him as much as I dislike Kaiden in the original trilogy, but the character didn't have enough substance to draw me in either.
The only one I just actively hate to talk to is Cora, I found her and her 'hero worship' to be annoying beyond belief.
Liam wasn't bad, I just liked the other characters a little better. Apologies if my reply sounded rude, that wasn't the intent. I believe I misread the tone of your original post.
In the end, ME:A had different things for each of us, for you.. you identified with Liam, that's not a bad thing. It's normal for people to be drawn to different characters in a game like this.
LOL I didnt dislike Kaidan until he totally shocked me in ME3 I was sitting here, mouth wide open with disbelief, I thought he was straight! I was romancing Tali in that playthrough, and he just totally caught me by surprise... I mean in ME1 we were chatting about how hot Liara was lol... Thought we were bros!! Then he springs this on me??!! I was actually fine with Cortez he tested the waters, I told him I am straight, he backed off, that's fine.
Anonymous
9 years ago
@Nykara360 wrote:
The poor guy, so many seem to not like him. So what I want to know is who out there does like him and what you like about him..
Haters can stay away please! Just Liam positive here. One thread in which he doesn't end up bashed in.. you can give us that.
The first thing I thought was sweet, was Liam sleeping on the floor in SAM node right at the begining when he barely even knew Ryder. A sign of someone who cares about others no matter what.
I like him, he's just useless.
People hate the almost childish way that he is written, which I like. The "I shot him in the face" etc.. I think that's hilarious and trading insults with jaal. And his backstory.
But as an Aid in Combat.. he just dies all the time.
Anonymous
9 years ago
@rugster wrote:
@Nykara360 wrote:
The poor guy, so many seem to not like him. So what I want to know is who out there does like him and what you like about him..
Haters can stay away please! Just Liam positive here. One thread in which he doesn't end up bashed in.. you can give us that.
The first thing I thought was sweet, was Liam sleeping on the floor in SAM node right at the begining when he barely even knew Ryder. A sign of someone who cares about others no matter what.
I like him, he's just useless.
People hate the almost childish way that he is written, which I like. The "I shot him in the face" etc.. I think that's hilarious and trading insults with jaal. And his backstory.
But as an Aid in Combat.. he just dies all the time.
I do get people not liking some of the writing, although to be honest there is usually at least one or two lines from every character (original trilogy and MEA) that just makes me.. cringe. Thats also true of conversations with people IRL too though, we don't have writers who can go back and change our words for us because we said something dumb, we gotta own it! 😃😃 Maybe its that kind of realism that I like, not everyone enjoys that in stories of any kind. The same as not everyone enjoying comedies or dramas or whatever 🙂. Everyone I know has a flaw that.. bugs me.. that I look past in favor of friendship / relstionships or whatever. Some perfer to escape those flaws in stories though where as I prefer them to exist. Like.. I like Jaal he is sweet but he almost seems too perfect, so not really to my taste for an IG romance.

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