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tedybear315
6 years ago
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Miranda and Jack again, clearly it's bugged

Evening'  (or morning) Finished the game for my 2nd try.  Sadly I assigned "Grunt" where he shouldn't have been, and he got killed off at the last battle.  So I'm trying to reload a past save and as...
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    holger1405
    6 years ago

    @tedybear315 

    tedybear315 wrote:

    Evening'  (or morning)

    Finished the game for my 2nd try.  Sadly I assigned "Grunt" where he shouldn't have been, and he got killed off at the last battle.  So I'm trying to reload a past save and assign that spot to the bounty hunter "Zeddyboy" as I personally can't stand that sob.  If someone's going to get the boot from ME3 when I transfer the character over?  I'd love to see him stay 'dead'.

    Then it is best to finishing him of during his loyalty mission.

    tedybear315 wrote:

     Of course I misjudged when the ship was going to be raided, so to save my 'love interest' (Kelly)  I decided to go in for the rescue.

    Spoiler
    Kelly's romance is somewhat limited, at least in comparison to others. The Romance will only be briefly "continued" in ME3. She is not present in the Endgame of ME3 nor in the Citadel DLC.  (And you better make the right choice in telling her what to do in your first conversation in ME3, otherwise she will be killed.)
    tedybear315 wrote:

    Jack's quest then was completed after the main quest and game completion.  Paragon was maxed after the end of the game when I did this.  Full to the brim!....(and that's without the death mask!)

    And of course I did it both ways.  Support Jack....Get Miranda ticked off....  Support Miranda?  Jack basically tells me to pi&& up a rope.

    The blue 'charm' option does not appear.  Paragon is 100% maxed out!  Game's over,  talked with everyone,  did the side quests, etc...  Either Miranda or Jack is gonna be upset.

    You're are lucky that Jack survived the loyalty mission despite not being loyal.
    Whether a paragon/renegade option is available in this situation is based on percentages, meaning based on the overall points you could accumulated vs the points that you have accumulated.  
    If you do this mission after the end of the main game you must have accumulated a very high number of paragon points, because it is compared to all Paragon points available in game.

    So it is actually easier to get the Charm option if you do Jacks loyalty mission earlier in game. You still need a very high amount of Paragon points, afaik it is the most difficult Charm option to reach. 

    For ME3: It doesn't mater if Jack is loyal in ME2 or not, her surviving is only dependent on the choices you make in ME3.

tedybear315's avatar
tedybear315
6 years ago

Not to sound rude, but what the heck.

Each time someone says  "Working as intended"...

I get reminded of the Diablo 3 Game by Blizzard.  That one had bugs and such that was extremely bad.  They had to buff skills and nerf other skills due to things being so badly out of kilter it wasn't even amusing.  I spent a couple of years on that forum fielding questions and such.  And I'll never forget when the one "Dev" logged into a few conversations and without any consideration in the least for the players?  (They would take servers off line to 'maintenance/code updates' weekly)

 The one "Dev"  said  "It's working as intended....."   Heck, it became a running joke!!  Said that right in the public forums and got skewered by the fan base!

Can't remember which one said it-  But his career in game development was short lived.  Some of the other "Dev's" that where paying attention to the exchange modified some of the nerf's and buff's to bring it back to a playable and enjoyable level.

Any-rate:  Yep it's an issue for a great many players.  In fact on my last play through I've got Paragon at the max level on the gauge.  (I selected continue to finish up some side quests)  Jack was 'loyal'...  (love her new hair style in ME3... Wish she was around longer)  Miranda after giving me major 'kudo's for getting the job done, and talking to each crew member getting even more paragon!  

Miranda upon talking a second time to clear the air:   Blew me off and said to talk with Jack for small talk.

And that's with the game finished,  paragon maxed out...and only 1/4" renegade showing on the bar.

Now I'd call that a lousy design.  But opinions are varied...

S-

holger1405's avatar
holger1405
Hero+
6 years ago

@tedybear315 

Don't want to sound rude either, but just because you can't make it work don't means it should be easier. 

This specific task, to keep both Jack and Miranda Loyal should not be easy, they hate each other.  

As said, it is afaik the most difficult Paragon persuade to reach, and getting it easy, seeing the relationship of these two, would make the whole morality system obsolete and boring.

So yes, opinions are varied, and I guess we have to agree to disagree here.

Have fun gaming!

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