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mckrackin5324
9 years ago
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Never been this angry at a game...

Never in my life have I come so close to losing my cool completely over a game. Never. I'd written this game off a long time ago. Just too clunky compared to newer titles. I decided...what the h...
  • Fred_vdp's avatar
    Fred_vdp
    9 years ago
    @mckrackin5324 wrote:
    The whole point of this game was to keep Tali from being exiled...which means exposing her father...which means losing her loyalty.

    That's inaccurate. You can keep Tali from being exiled without exposing her father. Here are two ways to do that:

    • You need a high enough paragon or renegade score to convince the admirals that there's not enough evidence to convict Tali.
    • OR; Make sure you don't send Veetor to Cerberus and be sure to keep Kal'Reegar alive in Tali's recruitment mission. If you rally the crowd during the trial, they'll come to Tali's aid.

    If you don't want to go this far back, then it's stil perfectly possible to get a disloyal Tali out of the suicide mission alive.

    In the phase where you fight the boss, the characters staying behind have to add up to an adequate defensive score. Otherwise, characters start dying, with disloyal characters being prioritized.

    An example of a perfect suicide mission run in your case (assuming only Tali is disloyal):

    • Fire team leader: Garrus, Miranda or Jacob
    • Tech expert: If you have the DLC, pick Kasumi. Tali and Legion are ineligible in your playthrough since they are not loyal.
    • Crew escort: Someone with a low defensive score, like Mordin, Jack or Kasumi
    • Biotic expert: Samara / Morinth, or Jack
    • Final boss squad: Two loyal characters with a low defensive score, like Mordin, Jack and Kasumi

    There's a flow chart that could help here: http://i.imgur.com/n4QCEnA.jpg

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mckrackin5324
9 years ago

Well fuuuu____....

Tali was there. She's an admiral.

Legion was there. He's loyal.

Koris was rescued from Rannoch.

My reputation is 100% maxed out.

I did it in order...Chose to let the Geth die and then changed my mind after Legion's speech....Like I was supposed to.

Guess what...The Quarians are dead and Tali took the dive off the cliff.

That's 36 hours(ME2 and 3) completely and utterly wasted. Dammit game. Seriously?

All because I didn't destroy the Heretics in ME2.

Endings in ME3 are determined in ME2 before ME3 even existed....That's BS. You should be able to get all endings in a game based on playing THAT game...not some other game.

Bad planning devs...I'm not even finishing the game and if Andromeda has imported characters or skills...I'm not even buying it.

I just THOUGHT I was angry before.

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holger1405
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9 years ago

@mckrackin5324

@mckrackin5324 wrote:

Well fuuuu____....

I did it in order...Chose to let the Geth die and then changed my mind after Legion's speech....Like I was supposed to.

That's the wrong way, you let Legion make his upload and then you have the opportunity to talk the Quarians down.  (Paragon or Renegade choice in the next dialogue)

Also, did you do the Server mission on Rannoch?

mckrackin5324 wrote:

Endings in ME3 are determined in ME2 before ME3 even existed....That's BS. You should be able to get all endings in a game based on playing THAT game...not some other game.

Bad planning devs...I'm not even finishing the game and if Andromeda has imported characters or skills...I'm not even buying it.

I just THOUGHT I was angry before.

Well, most people wanted there decisions to have consequences. 

Edit: But the Geth vs Quarians outcome is only determined if you let Tali get exiled and rewrite the Heretics or, if you didn't do both, don't resolve the Tali/Legon conflict with a renegade or paragon solution, and that is not the case in your game.

So you can make peace between the races.   

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    mckrackin5324
    9 years ago
    @holger1405 wrote:

    @mckrackin5324


    That's the wrong way, you let Legion make his upload and then you have the opportunity to talk the Quarians down.  (Paragon or Renegade choice in the next dialogue)

    Also, did you do the Server mission on Rannoch?

    Well, most people wanted there decisions to have consequences. 

    Edit: But the Geth vs Quarians outcome is only determined if you let Tali get exiled or rewrite the Heretics and then don't resolve the Tali/Legon conflict with a renegade or paragon solution and that is not the case in your game.

    So you can make peace between the races.   

    I kept Tali from being exiled and rewrote the Geth.

    There was no conflict between the two in this case.

    And...

     https://youtu.be/qvjMh4TZyHQ?t=2m24s

  • mckrackin5324's avatar
    mckrackin5324
    9 years ago

    I want my choices to have consequences in this game...not two years later in a different game.

  • holger1405's avatar
    holger1405
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    9 years ago

    @mckrackin5324

    First, I edited my Post a second time to make it more clear.

    Second, I never choose the "We're letting the Geth die" option, so I wasn't sure if that works too.

    But what it means is that you either didn't do the Server mission on Rannoch (Legions mission) and/or that you didn't destroyed the Geth Squadron on Rannoch and/or that you didn't resolved the Tali vs Legion conflict in ME2 with a Paragon or Reneged choice.

    So which one is it?

    If it is the ME2 Tali vs Legion conflict you can use Gibbed's Mass Effect 3 save editor (saveedit-r90_b116.zip)  to change that.

  • holger1405's avatar
    holger1405
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    9 years ago

    @mckrackin5324

    mckrackin5324 wrote:

    I kept Tali from being exiled and rewrote the Geth.

    There was no conflict between the two in this case.


    There is a conflict between Tali and Legion in ME2 and you need to solve this conflict with a Paragon or Reneged option to get the 1 point you need.

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    mckrackin5324
    9 years ago
    @holger1405 wrote:

    @mckrackin5324

    mckrackin5324 wrote:

    I kept Tali from being exiled and rewrote the Geth.

    There was no conflict between the two in this case.


    There is a conflict between Tali and Legion in ME2 and you need to solve this conflict with a Paragon or Reneged option to get the 1 point you need.

    There was no conflict.

    I waited and waited. It never happened.

    I kept Tali from being exiled. She is an admiral in ME3.

    I rewrote the Heretics.

    I did all the missions.

    I saved the admiral over his troops.

    My reputation is 100% maxed out...slightly more Paragon than Renegade.

    The reputation option are not greyed out...they just aren't there.

    I just tried it again and chose the upload right off the bat...same outcome.

    I appreciate all the replies.

    I'm frustrated as hell with this game design though.

    All outcomes should be possible within the single game and one game should never delete content from another in the series.

  • holger1405's avatar
    holger1405
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    9 years ago

    @mckrackin5324

    @mckrackin5324 wrote:

    There was no conflict.

    I waited and waited. It never happened.

    I kept Tali from being exiled. She is an admiral in ME3.

    I rewrote the Heretics.


    If there was no conflict then there is a glitch in your game. You need at least 3 Points out of ME2 to be able to make peace, and you only got 2 by preventing Tali from being exiled.

    So your only option is to use the editor.

    If you have questions about how to, feel free to ask.

  • Fred_vdp's avatar
    Fred_vdp
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    9 years ago

    FYI, Answers HQ is a first and foremost a tech support forum. If you want to discuss gameplay and strategy, you'll probably get more in-depth answers on the unofficial BioWare forum (the official forum is closing down): http://bsn.boards.net/

  • mckrackin5324's avatar
    mckrackin5324
    9 years ago
    @Fred_vdp wrote:

    FYI, Answers HQ is a first and foremost a tech support forum. If you want to discuss gameplay and strategy, you'll probably get more in-depth answers on the unofficial BioWare forum (the official forum is closing down): http://bsn.boards.net/

    Thanks.

    I still think this is a technical issue since there was no conflict between Tali and Legion but hey....

    At any rate,I used that save editor and at first it didn't work...I've killed that reaper 7 times today. hahahaha

    I even changed gender to make sure it was working...it was. 

    I made Tali and Legion loyal but the Quarians died anyway.

    So I went further back and killed off the Heretics and that worked.

    I finally got my big fleet and Tali back in my squad. All is right in the world...except the cheating part. lol

  • mckrackin5324's avatar
    mckrackin5324
    9 years ago

    That save editor has a hilarious side effect....

    I went ahead and checked the box to romance Tali but the game still recognizes my relationship with Miranda so I got the full romance with both and didn't break up with anybody. hahaha

    Of course...being the game breaker that I am...I wondered what would happen if I romanced Traynor as a male...It works but Shepard doesn't talk. Just sub titles because Spec. Traynor is a * only affair and no male actor has ever read for it. Hahaha...But yeah...I got her nekkid as a dude 😉

    EDIT...Seriously? Les....bian is on the profanity filter?

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