Re: Alec Ryder (spoilers)

They pull the drowned and hypothermic back from the dead past 4 minutes. They can also do that with heart attack victims. Pure vacuum it depends on your body mass, and if you empty your lungs or not, but even brushes with that have been survived. https://www.newscientist.com/blog/space/2008/06/how-long-can-you-survive-in-vacuum-of.html

Here's a better article from Scientific American: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/survival-in-space-unprotected-possible/

The suit should automatically try to pressurize and blow air out through whatever hole there is until the supply runs out - or it would never work as a spacesuit in the first place.

Its really hard to work on a timeline where not being able to breathe is concerned- for eg time already passed before he saw Sara and contacted Cora for an extraction. Then time for the shuttle to land and load her on.. chances are very high the broken helm ryder would have been dead. Sam can onky help the one with the link - so maybe able to have helped dad but guess he wasn't taking chances. Really tricky thing and split second decisions imo

[Edit] also as a parent standing watching your kid suffocating you would just do it you wouldn't stop to think. He wasn't being a hero just a parent

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@Nykara360 wrote:

Its really hard to work on a timeline where not being able to breathe is concerned- for eg time already passed before he saw Sara and contacted Cora for an extraction. Then time for the shuttle to land and load her on.. chances are very high the broken helm ryder would have been dead. Sam can onky help the one with the link - so maybe able to have helped dad but guess he wasn't taking chances. Really tricky thing and split second decisions imo

[Edit] also as a parent standing watching your kid suffocating you would just do it you wouldn't stop to think. He wasn't being a hero just a parent

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There's a reason they remind you every time you fly that, in the event the oxygen mask deploy, you put yours on first... mainly because unconscious people cannot put oxygen masks on their children. N7 training should get you past the panic in life or death situations or they really should consider restructuring it.

If the atmosphere is toxic, jamming a helmetful of toxic air on my head is not going to help much... and telling me to breathe deep is a *really* bad idea.

I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for him, and be greatful I'm not dead, and that I should somehow appreciate him choosing to die... and be willing to just accept him as he is, and keep his secrets, and not question any of it too closely. But all of that is really hokey plot.

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@jpcerutti1 wrote:

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@Nykara360 wrote:

Its really hard to work on a timeline where not being able to breathe is concerned- for eg time already passed before he saw Sara and contacted Cora for an extraction. Then time for the shuttle to land and load her on.. chances are very high the broken helm ryder would have been dead. Sam can onky help the one with the link - so maybe able to have helped dad but guess he wasn't taking chances. Really tricky thing and split second decisions imo

[Edit] also as a parent standing watching your kid suffocating you would just do it you wouldn't stop to think. He wasn't being a hero just a parent

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There's a reason they remind you every time you fly that, in the event the oxygen mask deploy, you put yours on first... mainly because unconscious people cannot put oxygen masks on their children. N7 training should get you past the panic in life or death situations or they really should consider restructuring it.

If the atmosphere is toxic, jamming a helmetful of toxic air on my head is not going to help much.

I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for him, and be greatful I'm not dead, and that I should somehow appreciate him choosing to die... and be willing to just accept him as he is, and keep his secrets, and not question any of it too closely. But all of that is really hokey plot.

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There is a reason all that training also usually includes rules about not working with people you love or care about. No matter how much training you have it all vanishes when your kids in trouble. Although I don't think he paniced, he just acted, quickly in favor of his kids safety over his own. May or may not have considered all the possible actions and outcomes and decided to go with the safest one for them. I just don't think there was any other motives behind it. 

I also don't see Alec as a hero for saving his kid, too much else would suggest he wasn't the best person on many fronts, or even an overly nice one. Just a person who made a choice at a critical moment that resulted in 1 person living, 1 dying, SAM being transferred to an untrained Pathfinder (cause the Ryders are the only ones with the modified implants).

He shafted Cora big time, trained her, groomed her, never was going to make her Pathfinder, not the act of a nice person in its own right.

He had one goal and one goal only, save Ellen's life. Didn't care what got mowed down in the process (including his own kids and their careers).

Maybe he couldn't have lived with facing Ellen and telling her one of their kids died. Who knows. End result still the same and SAM got passed on to the next likely to be just as invested in saving mum.

Is it wrong of me to hope for a ton of moral decisions when finding mums cure? See how far the Ryder kid is willing to go to save mum?

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@Nykara360 wrote:

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@jpcerutti1 wrote:

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@Nykara360 wrote:

Its really hard to work on a timeline where not being able to breathe is concerned- for eg time already passed before he saw Sara and contacted Cora for an extraction. Then time for the shuttle to land and load her on.. chances are very high the broken helm ryder would have been dead. Sam can onky help the one with the link - so maybe able to have helped dad but guess he wasn't taking chances. Really tricky thing and split second decisions imo

[Edit] also as a parent standing watching your kid suffocating you would just do it you wouldn't stop to think. He wasn't being a hero just a parent

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There's a reason they remind you every time you fly that, in the event the oxygen mask deploy, you put yours on first... mainly because unconscious people cannot put oxygen masks on their children. N7 training should get you past the panic in life or death situations or they really should consider restructuring it.

If the atmosphere is toxic, jamming a helmetful of toxic air on my head is not going to help much.

I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for him, and be greatful I'm not dead, and that I should somehow appreciate him choosing to die... and be willing to just accept him as he is, and keep his secrets, and not question any of it too closely. But all of that is really hokey plot.

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There is a reason all that training also usually includes rules about not working with people you love or care about. No matter how much training you have it all vanishes when your kids in trouble. Although I don't think he paniced, he just acted, quickly in favor of his kids safety over his own. May or may not have considered all the possible actions and outcomes and decided to go with the safest one for them. I just don't think there was any other motives behind it. 

I also don't see Alec as a hero for saving his kid, too much else would suggest he wasn't the best person on many fronts, or even an overly nice one. Just a person who made a choice at a critical moment that resulted in 1 person living, 1 dying, SAM being transferred to an untrained Pathfinder (cause the Ryders are the only ones with the modified implants).

He shafted Cora big time, trained her, groomed her, never was going to make her Pathfinder, not the act of a nice person in its own right.

He had one goal and one goal only, save Ellen's life. Didn't care what got mowed down in the process (including his own kids and their careers).

Maybe he couldn't have lived with facing Ellen and telling her one of their kids died. Who knows. End result still the same and SAM got passed on to the next likely to be just as invested in saving mum.

Is it wrong of me to hope for a ton of moral decisions when finding mums cure? See how far the Ryder kid is willing to go to save mum?

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Hope or dread? They're not giving you a lot of options to deviate from what they want you to do and how you should feel about it. If it continues to unfold the same way it looks like they are turning you into your dad and you just have to accept it. I am already keeping all his secrets, accepting his decisions, and working toward his goals... no questions asked to anyone but SAM, which was designed to do just that AND forced on me (again, to save my life so I somehow should feel about SAM exactly like I should my dad), and I don't question anything too closely.

Big surprise - I really don't like this particular aspect of the storyline.🙂

Gosh someone sounds like the angry woman.

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@VladVonCastein wrote:

Gosh someone sounds like the angry woman.

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You should see me when I really get riled up.  Tried starting over again, and I think I probably should wait for a while before I try to sift it again for any nuggets I managed to miss.

Im on PT #3 😃😃

It gets better the more I play it for me. Keep finding different things that I either didn't hear or totally missed the previous times.

I didn’t know to keep asking Lexi about the crew so even different dialogue there for me this time. They need to fix that so dialigue isn't greyed out if there is new lines to hear.

Anyways.. really liking it probably helps.

I think I read somewhere that some toxins/mixtures in the air can cause blacking out faster than just having no oxygen. Some so fast that you can't even react. So dying in four minutes, not really impossible.

I don't think they've heard of 'Buddy breathing'

It's an ancient milky way technique used by scuba divers lost to the modern space-faring peoples with detachable oxygen helmets 🙂

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@RedM3rcury wrote:

I don't think they've heard of 'Buddy breathing'

It's an ancient milky way technique used by scuba divers lost to the modern space-faring peoples with detachable oxygen helmets 🙂

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That assumes it's feasible and doable with their equipment and that player Ryder isn't basically unconscious already. It requires a bit of teamwork to do it right.