Re: Are the rumors actually true about Miranda?

@Allison_X5-734You act like Sexualization is wrong. Since I never hear any complaints about half naked guys.

Also Miranda was a great character herself. The * scenes were not there to sell the game. LMFAO.

And if it offends you... boo hoo? 

No wonder america gets stuff like Abby or the girl from gears of War in our games.

Can we go back please.

@Princess_Catra 

Have to agree with you on this.  Where was the sexualization outrage in the "naked swap scene" in Mass Effect Andromeda??  How about the shirtless Jacob or video of him doing situps(DLC shadowbroker)??   What about James Vega, jarhead extreme, but with muscles out to there, always flexing and showing off?? 

How about EVERY male hero having a 6pk abs, and WIDE shoulders, narrow waists, and tight butts that less than 5% of the men will ever have??   Yet, when we hear about over sexualization and objectification it is ALWAYS only about women, and how they look.

Hate to break it, but humans are a sexual species....it is biological to want to procreate and having issues with this is stupid, and most times caused either by jealousy, or feeling of inadequacy.  I personally want the characters in my games(and movies) to be larger than life, more perfect than possible and more beautiful than 99% of the world....if I wanted mundane and ordinary, I will go talk to my neighbors or co-workers.  I want the escape.

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@mcsupersport wrote:

@Princess_Catra 

Have to agree with you on this.  Where was the sexualization outrage in the "naked swap scene" in Mass Effect Andromeda??  How about the shirtless Jacob or video of him doing situps(DLC shadowbroker)??   What about James Vega, jarhead extreme, but with muscles out to there, always flexing and showing off?? 

How about EVERY male hero having a 6pk abs, and WIDE shoulders, narrow waists, and tight butts that less than 5% of the men will ever have??   Yet, when we hear about over sexualization and objectification it is ALWAYS only about women, and how they look.

Hate to break it, but humans are a sexual species....it is biological to want to procreate and having issues with this is stupid, and most times caused either by jealousy, or feeling of inadequacy.  I personally want the characters in my games(and movies) to be larger than life, more perfect than possible and more beautiful than 99% of the world....if I wanted mundane and ordinary, I will go talk to my neighbors or co-workers.  I want the escape.

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They use the excuse calling it a "power fantasy" from what I have read about this same topic talking about guys whatever the * that means.

I completely agree with both of you. Especially with what's been going on with not only games but movies as well. At some point this biased one sided censorship all has to stop I am sure I am not the only one absolutely fed up with our beloved franchises each and every one of them being absolutely trashed by all this, which the majority never asked for. On top of the points mcsupersport pointed out that sex appeal is a perfectly NORMAL thing. Going to escape for a bit to enjoy a good fantasy is perfectly fine, and that was ME's strong point covered from all angles (thinking of Jack). The original creators of ME intended on it being shot the way it was and thats the way that I wanted to experience it again without being bothered by all these weird nonsensical changes.

By the way despite all that sex appeal I was Liara all the way 😉. Hoping we get Liara back in the next ME haha.

Ultimately there should be no alterations or censorship but dammit if Bioware insists on altering it then give us the option to choose! Let us decide what we want to censor and let others experience it the way they want, but stop deciding for us!

Miranda is stunning and unless you have some thing for that part of her, she has many other pretty features which make her attractive, and it's her looks as a whole, not simply her butt. They had an issue going back over the material with that aspect so obviously they felt it detracted having so much focus on one part instead of the whole package, hell I think she has (even with current graphics) a stunning complexion and eyes. Her outfit's cute as hell. Had a modded version I loved for the third game for my Shepard till I broke it moving computers.

To me personally, I tend to tune out the body shots that are too much- obviously Mac Walters can't and it's his prerogative since Mass Effect 2 and 3 were better for their inclusion of Miranda, not for their inclusion of Miranda's butt as her defining trait. Obviously they should lead any romance led lines and/or scenes alone and subsequent focus wherever it lands since they'd have been designed to be sexualized, which they should be.

Personally I don't think miranda's butt being shown front and centre in a couple of shots takes anything away from her character, she had plenty of moments that showed her distrust for anything related to her father and her protective attitude towards her sister. She fought well ingame and wasn't afraid to voice her opinion on things throughout the games. The butt scenes are honestly more amusing to me and kind of a meme at this point, more people (in my opinion) would be disappointed with scene changes removing these moments.

As other people have mentioned there are plenty of moments where the guys could be considered 'sexualised' and I wouldnt want them changed either, part of the charm of the game, here is an example. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgiPyMeYzoM 

So yeah, i'd prefer original story and cutscenes to stay the same. Besides a few frames of miranda's behind is nothing compared to some of the stuff i see people wearing to the shops these days.

To be honest its not just about Miranda it's about making these sort of un-necessary changes to the game (again where will they draw the line with this? we don't know yet) and how many of these changes are they going to be making (which is a waste of time) instead of putting their focus into something more important/positive that wont go and upset a large majority of the fanbase. It's not just us, take a look at the backlash. I woke up to 4-5 videos on YouTube with a whole flood of comments basically saying people are going to veto the game because of this kind of negligence. This whole topic is what got me coming here to the forums because it needs to be pointed out and discussed within earshot of Bioware so they can try and mitigate this.

I love mass effect its one of the only games where I actually blindly click preorder because I am that into the series. If there's any hope that Bioware can listen and do something about it before the release I and a huge amount of others would all be very grateful. At least a choice would be nice.

there is an old tale about a Icarus who wanted to fly and touch the sun , he built wings and started flying towards the sun , the tale says that upon reaching the sun his wings burned and he fell down to his doom

in our story :

Icarus = Bioware

Wings = SJW

The Sun = ... Miranda ...

the doom = ME : Remaster sales

i vaguely remember a conversation with Miranda that she was made to be perfect tho and she did like to flaunt it so to speak this isn't only about fantasies and not only for the "male audiance" i talked to more lesbians who comment this scene more then most guys..

this is nothing more then censorship if it was wrong they would have changed it back then Yvonne specificity said she would play it and see it for her self not sure if she did but no comment about it was ever made by her.

true times change but censorship is never right and should not happen if this was a concern it should not been remastered from the beginning

ive cancelled my pre order and will buy it again when / if i hear this is changed back to original scene.

"if you support this then give reasons why, start a poll to get proof that lots of people prefer the original, hell start a petition, but the moment you start brushing off opposition it just shows you don't know how to deny what the other person is saying. "

Go on almost any youtube video regarding this topic and see all the angry people who wont buy it or well claim they wont. it is the vast majority

"Personally I don't think miranda's butt being shown front and centre in a couple of shots takes anything away from her character"

i agree here but the way they do it also dont add anything to her character, this is blatant censorship for no reason what so ever.

"As other people have mentioned there are plenty of moments where the guys could be considered 'sexualised'"

This is my biggest issue if they censur one thing they should do it with all scenes and all character but then it would not be the same game anymore i mean hell might as well remove all the "romance scenes" alltogheter

"So yeah, i'd prefer original story and cutscenes to stay the same. Besides a few frames of miranda's behind is nothing compared to some of the stuff i see people wearing to the shops these days."

story is most important but if they allowed this back then it should be allowed now i mean there are FAR worse games out there seen the sex scenes in cyberpunk? this is mild

Censurship is wrong they should simple have added an option in the menu alternatively had the altered scenes as default and allowed us to swap to original.