Re: Are the rumors actually true about Miranda?

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@Naala wrote:

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@SofaJockeyUK wrote:
I do wonder where you get your assumptions from.

EA = BioWare.

BioWare = EA.

BioWare is an operating division not a team of galley slaves.

The development teams under their own creative leadership make the games as part of EA.

If a game is good or not so good, that's on the team that made it, not some shadowy corporate puppet play.

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All of this is is naive thoughts the one with the money is the one in charge if Bioware has all the money they need to make the game and require 0 investors then they are fully in charge but if Bioware require funding from EA then EA has power to made demands

"If a game is good or not so good, that's on the team that made it, not some shadowy corporate puppet play."

this depends on many things look how it went with Troika games they had a good game to be released and needed more time to polish it up they didnt get it was forced to release and it flopped now after a decade of community bug fixes that game is a classic

this is one example out of many im not going to go into details.

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Bioware isn't an independent company looking around for money to make games, or someone to publish them, but instead Bioware is 100% OWNED by EA.  EA as a company has sub-companies they own that make games for them....so EA tells Bioware you have XXX amount of money and time to make a game, get with it.    What Bioware does with that money, is on Bioware and the crew there.   So, don't think in anyway that Bioware is independent of EA or doesn't need EA.....Bioware is EA and EA is Bioware.

@mcsupersporti never said they are independent i said he who holds the money is in charge which would be EA unless Bioware has their own money you even said the same thing the part about investors are still true but not in this situation

Also its good to see you don't read all my posts i know they were bought i said that in my last post which you chose to ignore ;D

@Sky2k5Same didnt want a long discussion about it either its just sad that so many dont seem to get how corporate's work EA's only intention is to make money that is what corporate's do.  IF Bioware and most other game devs would make a choice that would risk loosing money say a racist game then the investors and or owners (in this case EA) can go in and pull the plug on those decisions and remove it in this case Mirand's * could be seen as sexism there fore someone voted to remove it wheter it was EA or Bioware i dont know and dont really care it is censurship and that should not be accepted.

But making games these days is a risky business, i do miss old school games when they could do damn near anything they wanted.

i really do hope bioware stand up for them self IF this censure decision comes from EA which it very well could but if the decision came from Bioware then like i said previously it dont look good for future bioware games

@Naala @Sky2k5 do you reckon it would work if bioware just changed whatever they thought was best in ME then turned off all social media for one week after launching the game? pretend all criticism doesnt exist and return fresh a week later to patch bugs? 

@GrimReaperTaken

They should definitely turn off twitter the fans are here on this forum this is the criticism they should listen to.

Ignoring the criticism is a huge no but it depends on what criticism they listen to i read that feminists wants to ban valentines day and other BS like high heels being sexist and other things like that there will always be people complaining about things that 1: dont make sense and 2: dont really matter. and from all i gather there is a ton of more people who want the original cutscenes over the people who don't want them. so fans have spoken its up to them if they listen.

i mean if you really look anyone can find an issue with anything Christmas is sexist since santa is a male working while miss santa is home cooking and cleaning etc does it matter? no its a myth a legend this is a game a virtual thing and Miranda is just eye candy in the game, Jacob been said to be miranda's Male counter part and he is shirtless in one scene will that be censured? i bet not.

"do you reckon it would work if bioware just changed whatever they thought was best in ME"

They shouldn't change a thing except updating the game and fixing bugs as stated before there are a TON of issues with the games specially ME1 being very outdated in terms of well almost everything

the AI is basically crap yes they would need to work hard on updating the AI to modern standards but thats what a remaster should do get the gameplay and textures updated the games were almost perfect in terms of story etc higher difficulty didnt mean harder just that t he Enemy toke more hits imagine if they would actually use tactics oooof  amazing

and that they didnt even put any work into pinnacle station is just lazy if they had worked on the important things those 6 months or what ever it would take to make Pinnacle station work wouldnt been a huge deal

they said that ME1 is improved to be closer to ME2 but issue is ME2 is already also dated as hell in terms of textures and gameplay hell even ME3 is dated in almost all aspects specially animations but they said they basically didnt touch animations so i wonder what the hell they actually worked on.

Unfortunately EA wil alwaysl listen to Twitter feminism activist instead of us, real fans and players. They're too scared of backlash from Twitter.

Bioware said “I do think a lot of things have evolved since [the original games],” meaning rise of feminism, MeToo and scandals in Hollywood

EA, do you will still continue ignoring real fans and YouTube?

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Unless EA will stop acting "sexy female characters are bad and sexist", i will never buy anything from your company.

Sadly you value their opinion more than fan's:

Twitter

Kotaku

Polygon

ResetEra

Anita Sarkeesian 

Zoey Quinn

@Princess_Catra congrats this is so far the hottest post on the ME LE forum, lets hope this gets some attention from EA/Bioware.

Edit: Again: Can someone explain? The original title was "Are the rumors actually true about Miranda?" and then the new title i see in my email notifications is "EA censored Mass Effect and ignores real players..." Did it get changed and just hasnt updated everywhere yet? 

Also i know the first four but who the heck are anita and zoey? are they games journalists or celebrities? 

Anita Sarkeesian is a feminist activist. She is know for series of videos "Tropes vs Women" where she criticizes designs of female characters like Lara Croft in Tomb Raider: Underworld for being "sexy"
In 2019 she visited Bioware to teach them how to make "right" female characters...
She also doesn't play videogames at all.

Her video has 50,000 dislikes, and still, EA values her more than us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6p5AZp7r_Q

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@GrimReaperTaken wrote:

Edit: Again: Can someone explain? The original title was "Are the rumors actually true about Miranda?" and then the new title i see in my email notifications is "EA censored Mass Effect and ignores real players..." Did it get changed and just hasnt updated everywhere yet? 

Also i know the first four but who the heck are anita and zoey? are they games journalists or celebrities? 

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It is likely that a thread or post was merged into this thread and the forum is acting wonky.  If you look at the top of this thread after clicking on last post to get here, then likely it will say EA censored, but if you go to the first page and look, it says Are the Rumors actually......

So I think the forum is just being wonky about this.

@Sky2k5Yes she did. ☹️ https://twitter.com/anitasarkeesian/status/956644302301552641

And seems like Bioware aren't happy with her visit: https://youtu.be/6NHGLQkxBcg

Lol comments:

"Professional liar and political hack."

"Why does anyone allow this chick anywhere???"

"It's shocking that woman is still relevant"

"Last I checked everyone hates Anita sarkeesian"
"Anita "I never played video games until it profited me" Sarkeesian."

"I will never support anything that brings on Sarkesian on principle."

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@instasamka95 wrote:

Unfortunately EA wil alwaysl listen to Twitter feminism activist instead of us, real fans and players. They're too scared of backlash from Twitter.

Bioware said “I do think a lot of things have evolved since [the original games],” meaning rise of feminism, MeToo and scandals in Hollywood

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Twatter made it to easy for non fans to whine and complain about things they have no idea about i rly wish it would be shut down

To me this video was the most interesting video its long and in depth about Miranda as a character the lore and sexism in general it also shows the lenght they went to make her "sexy" things most people wouldn't think about it has low view count but it deserves a lot more in my opinion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDlpEpk5b9c

I'm sure there are plenty of other sites/places that will cater to your needs if pixel booty is *that* important 😛

I thought this was a remaster not a "woke"make??

I can totally understand optimizing the direction of the action, camera's maybe even improving the flow of some dialog.... (e.g The lengthy pause and twisted neck of Shep in ME3 prior to the final battle where he greets Hacket)

But to fundamentally AVOID the physical attributes of key characters.... IMO you've lost the intent (and the fans to a degree)

Shall we also amend Grunt as an exemplar for the pinnacle of physical Krogan development? "All Krogan's are created equally!!! and there should be no place for perfection!"..... Maybe give him a limp or something?? (I dunno what is considered unattractive for Krogan….)

Even though that was a key part of his character arc....Just like Miranda.... "Created" for a purpose but rising beyond that.

The characters wear their scars in different ways - some are tattoos,, some are cultural, some are emotional, some are the antithesis of the perception of what a "scar" is…. Like physical perfection....

Miranda's character is both self aware of her sex appeal / how she wields it as a weapon - whilst also thinking these are the upper limits of her character and she'll amount to nothing more than the vision of her creator who she despises. A perfect, gilded cage. I like the complexity of that narrative and its one of the things that gives that character depth. 

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@Sky2k5 wrote:

@Princess_Catra congrats this is so far the hottest post on the ME LE forum, lets hope this gets some attention from EA/Bioware.

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I'm not convinced this bout of internet clickbait requires any attention from EA/BioWare other than to stick to their artistic vision. 😉