Can't really say, but I completely sold out my female ryder to all of them without any thought in dialogue
Well either the forum is broke, or someone is deleting my posts from this conv without telling me why.
Trying again once more.
Reposting this here from my thread about Liam because it fits in with this discussion on what I feel is wrong with Liam's romance / how it could have been improved. At the end I'll also include a couple more improvement suggestions.
I'm half way through Jaal's romance right now, which even at the half way mark is a vast improvement on what Liam got. You can feel / see the friendship and then attraction building between them.
I have not done Reyes romance yet. I intend to though but others have already and can add his more indepth than I can.
(From my Liam discussion thread)
One of the things about Liam's that I think is bugging me so much was his complete lack of response when Sara was 'killed by SAM' to get out of the prison. The fact that at the time, he was there watching her die, seeing them have problems bringing her back and had no reaction to it what so ever. Yet previously in a conversation/banter with Peebee it was established that Liam takes it on himself to always be close to the Pathfinder, to protect them, yet there he was helpless to do anything on his watch to prevent it and he didn’t have a reaction to that?!
Even later on the ship when he does - very briefly mention it, he jokes and laughs it off with a hey you should probably stop dying.
And thats it?!
It was the perfect chance for a cute romance scene and frankly probably the main one that romance was lacking. He should have pulled her aside, kissed, hugged, mentioned how worried he was or something. It would have been a touching moment, something sorely lacking throughout Liam's romance.
As much as sex scenes are nice, I don't need one for the romance to be a good romance. What there does need to be is signs of caring. Intimate or heated or both moments. Liam really got none of that. It was almost as if his entire romance, save for a couple of very short conversations, was off-screen.
Liam romance break-down.
Flirt.
Awkward flirt.
Possible one night stand (which could lead to more). This scene had a kiss, the sex was off-screen. However the whole thing was interrupt only.
With no interrupt, all they do is touch foreheads.
Then you get nothing, nothing for ages.
Then Aya. He sends you off to scan stuff, after which they can have a 'date' but this supposed date is - yep you guessed it, off-screen. So you run around scanning for him, call it a date and it's done.
Then nothing, nothing, nothing.
All of a sudden back on Eos at the football game, he askes about getting serious, ending it or going on with no strings. So here I am, not having taken the interrupt. Having had one OFF SCREEN date with the guy. No kisses. Nothing and suddenly, he wants to get serious. Serious about what exactly?? At this point you can choose to go be alone with him - which is once again OFF SCREEN.
Then more nothing. Nothing. Nothing. The SAM death thing, that was also more nothing.
Final 'date' on Eos and omg finally something that was actually half way decent. Ages after getting serious theres even finally an on screen kiss...
End game. One more kiss. At which point Liam jokes about Marriage. He eblaborates on this a little further with the final conversation, to which Ryder barely responds, which is mostly imo a brush off. And thats a wrap folks. Usually people at least say I love you, before considering marriage. 🤔🤔🤔
Where is the intimacy, the romance, the at least slightly sexy kisses before discussing getting serious? You know, the build-up. Apparently all off-screen, cause we didn't get any.
For other improvements
- okay so yes i would like a sex scene, others got one so why not Liam? However I don't need this to think a romance is great.
- I would have liked to see that date on aya go somewhere. A walk / talk / kiss maybe? A walk / talk / interrupted almost kiss? Something to show some attraction and heat growing between them. Some intimacy.
- A random impromptu kiss intiated by one of them somewhere in passing on the ship - they are both young, in love or falling in love, show it! Before the getting serious talk because that talk makes zero sense if they have shown nothing to get serious about.
- The occasional brushing of hands in passing? Or exchanged heated looks? Again they are both young, do the things young folks do when attracted to each other. Fingers touch and sudden jump back to show it was noticed? Something that shows heat.
- A show of concern- actual real concern about the others wellbeing during intense situations- like SAM stopping Sara's heart. That is more indepth above how it could have been handled.
And hey, bioware has writers on staff I am sure they can come up with ideas themselves on what shows attraction and intimacy for a budding romance.
@Nykara360 wrote:
For other improvements
- okay so yes i would like a sex scene, others got one so why not Liam? However I don't need this to think a romance is great.
- I would have liked to see that date on aya go somewhere. A walk / talk / kiss maybe? A walk / talk / interrupted almost kiss? Something to show some attraction and heat growing between them. Some intimacy.
And hey, bioware has writers on staff I am sure they can come up with ideas themselves on what shows attraction and intimacy for a budding romance.
I romanced Liam in the beginning and agree with this. I was looking forward to that date on Aya and was bummed when it turned into a mini mission and that was it. I think the Liam romancers should have got a nice love scene as well. I definitely agree on the lead up for a budding romance.
