SAM
Besides me, does anyone else think before this story arc is over you are going to have to fight the manipulative AI with it's own agenda that lives in your head?
Mark my words; SAM is not your friend.
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It's hard for me to say. SAM's ultimate goal is your and his survival.
Why do you think this will be the endgame for SAM? What has he really done that has ulterior motives?
@ensiform wrote:
It's hard for me to say. SAM's ultimate goal is your and his survival.
Why do you think this will be the endgame for SAM? What has he really done that has ulterior motives?
Can't expand without spoilers. 🙂
Spoiler1) The "memory blocks" will work for blaming Dad only so long. That he can't seem to figure out a way around them is a thin excuse at best... that they unlock with triggers in places no human has ever been, or as progression points, completely implausible. Dad set that up in advance? C'mon.
2) He can kill you at any moment and fails to mention that... until he needs to kill you. How is that symbiotic? More like it is easier to retrieve a tool than make a new one. Maybe that is traumatic - but like losing an arm traumatic. He can get a new one.
3) He cannot find/speak to any other SAM... until you find them and then suddenly that works fine.
4) He volunteers little for information that doesn't suit his own devices except for keeping you alive for the moment. He's more than happy to suggest we lie to the VI hackers though. I have to manually dig through Nexus security footage and ask for enhancement with a VI that will automatically crack through alien security codes and open doors without being asked?
5) Even by the end of the game you're not much more than a convenient platform for carrying him around. Dependent on him is a better word. They make you dependent on him from the beginning of the game. You even joke about it.
6) The whole alien VI introduction was to warm you up to the idea of a lying manipulative VI. I shot the thing so I'm not sure how they are going to make SAM appear sympathetic by blaming (or seduced) without its' inclusion in the storyline. They'll just pull something from thin air I suppose - like with the Rachni.
I'll think of more, and add them here later if someone else doesn't beat me to it. 🙂 Guessing for endgame is calling the twist. I just know it is there - not how they answered it.
Lastly, maybe snark. Bioware has been trying to convince us to choose the synthesis ending for how many years now? The conflict in game will break the fourth wall here... I just hope they have written it well.
@ensiform wrote:
It's hard for me to say. SAM's ultimate goal is your and his survival.
Why do you think this will be the endgame for SAM? What has he really done that has ulterior motives?
Can't expand without spoilers. 🙂
Spoiler1) The "memory blocks" will work for blaming Dad only so long. That he can't seem to figure out a way around them is a thin excuse at best... that they unlock with triggers in places no human has ever been, or as progression points, completely implausible. Dad set that up in advance? C'mon.
2) He can kill you at any moment and fails to mention that... until he needs to kill you. How is that symbiotic? More like it is easier to retrieve a tool than make a new one. Maybe that is traumatic - but like losing an arm traumatic. He can get a new one.
3) He cannot find/speak to any other SAM... until you find them and then suddenly that works fine.
4) He volunteers little for information that doesn't suit his own devices except for keeping you alive for the moment. He's more than happy to suggest we lie to the VI hackers though. I have to manually dig through Nexus security footage and ask for enhancement with a VI that will automatically crack through alien security codes and open doors without being asked?
5) Even by the end of the game you're not much more than a convenient platform for carrying him around. Dependent on him is a better word. They make you dependent on him from the beginning of the game. You even joke about it.
6) The whole alien VI introduction was to warm you up to the idea of a lying manipulative VI. I shot the thing so I'm not sure how they are going to make SAM appear sympathetic by blaming (or seduced) without its' inclusion in the storyline. They'll just pull something from thin air I suppose - like with the Rachni.
I'll think of more, and add them here later if someone else doesn't beat me to it. 🙂 Guessing for endgame is calling the twist. I just know it is there - not how they answered it.
Lastly, maybe snark. Bioware has been trying to convince us to choose the synthesis ending for how many years now? The conflict in game will break the fourth wall here... I just hope they have written it well.
@ensiform wrote:
It's hard for me to say. SAM's ultimate goal is your and his survival.
Why do you think this will be the endgame for SAM? What has he really done that has ulterior motives?
Can't expand without spoilers. 🙂 Dunno why it deleted when edited but the editor doesn't like me adding things.
Spoiler1) The "memory blocks" will work for blaming Dad only so long. That he can't seem to figure out a way around them is a thin excuse at best... that they unlock with triggers in places no human has ever been, or as progression points, completely implausible. Dad set that up in advance? C'mon.
2) He can kill you at any moment and fails to mention that... until he needs to kill you. How is that symbiotic? More like it is easier to retrieve a tool than make a new one. Maybe that is traumatic - but like losing an arm traumatic. He can get a new one.
3) He cannot find/speak to any other SAM... until you find them and then suddenly that works fine.
4) He volunteers little for information that doesn't suit his own devices except for keeping you alive for the moment. He's more than happy to suggest we lie to the VI hackers though. I have to manually dig through Nexus security footage and ask for enhancement with a VI that will automatically crack through alien security codes and open doors without being asked?
5) Even by the end of the game you're not much more than a convenient platform for carrying him around. Dependent on him is a better word. They make you dependent on him from the beginning of the game. You even joke about it.
6) The whole alien VI introduction was to warm you up to the idea of a lying manipulative VI. I shot the thing so I'm not sure how they are going to make SAM appear sympathetic by blaming (or seduced) without its' inclusion in the storyline. They'll just pull something from thin air I suppose - like with the Rachni.
I'll think of more, and add them here later if someone else doesn't beat me to it. 🙂 Guessing for endgame is calling the twist. I just know it is there - not how they answered it.
Lastly, maybe snark. Bioware has been trying to convince us to choose the synthesis ending for how many years now? The conflict in game will break the fourth wall here... I just hope they have written it well.Am really hoping this would happen sooner rather than later, cause I want someone like EDI in my head rather than boring SAM... In fact I rather that psychotic Ancient AI in my head... SAM is just so boring. If I can add/remove 1 character from MEA, it would be SAM. Imagine EDI with all her corny little jokes in an open world travelling with the crew and adding some of her nonsense... Would have been so great...
Anyway on a more serious note... Alec Ryder claims that SAM wont turn on them as it is a symbiotic relationship, unlike the Quarians and Geth etc etc etc... WRONG! He never met a prothean and never heard the story of the Zha and Zha'til. SAM reminds me of Javik's story on the Zha and Zhatil. In fact to be honest think MEA is recycling some of their ideas over and over again(Kett similarities with Collectors). Read about Zha'til for more info. It's been done before...
@PandaTar wrote:
I also have this feeling.
However, I do think that Alec ... might also be somber. He might have been saved to return later, if you know what I mean.
There is something going on there.
SpoilerThat we never go back for his corpse yet run around flagging months old colonist bodies for retrieval is suspicious at best. I'm fifty-fifty he got snatched up by the Kett though and you'll face some bizarre exalted version somewhere down the road.
