Besides me, does anyone else think before this story arc is over you are going to have to fight the manipulative AI with it's own agenda that lives in your head? Mark my words; SAM is not your friend.

I like SAM and I would rather see him grow with my Ryder then turn evil or be evil. Would rather see SAM as proof that AI and organic can co-exist. However, each SAM is a seperate identity. I could see a SAM who is linked with a Pathfinder that has a volitile personality going bad. Just not the Ryders SAM. Not unless it gets hacked or is effected by the scourge or something.

Am really hoping this would happen sooner rather than later, cause I want someone like EDI in my head rather than boring SAM... In fact I rather that psychotic Ancient AI in my head... SAM is just so boring. If I can add/remove 1 character from MEA, it would be SAM. Imagine EDI with all her corny little jokes in an open world travelling with the crew and adding some of her nonsense... Would have been so great...

At least we'll now have a sexy male robot on our team. But yeah - Bioware is still stuck on their synthesis ending. If I had the option, I would rip SAM out of my Ryder's head. I can see it going badly, and SAM doesn't really seem like a character.

@ensiform wrote: It's hard for me to say. SAM's ultimate goal is your and his survival. Why do you think this will be the endgame for SAM? What has he really done that has ulterior motives? Can't expand without spoilers. 🙂 Dunno why it deleted when edited but the editor doesn't like me adding things. Spoiler (Highlight to read)1) The "memory blocks" will work for blaming Dad only so long. That he can't seem to figure out a way around them is a thin excuse at best... that they unlock with triggers in places no human has ever been, or as progression points, completely implausible. Dad set that up in advance? C'mon.2) He can kill you at any moment and fails to mention that... until he needs to kill you. How is that symbiotic? More like it is easier to retrieve a tool than make a new one. Maybe that is traumatic - but like losing an arm traumatic. He can get a new one.3) He cannot find/speak to any other SAM... until you find them and then suddenly that works fine.4) He volunteers little for information that doesn't suit his own devices except for keeping you alive for the moment. He's more than happy to suggest we lie to the VI hackers though. I have to manually dig through Nexus security footage and ask for enhancement with a VI that will automatically crack through alien security codes and open doors without being asked?5) Even by the end of the game you're not much more than a convenient platform for carrying him around. Dependent on him is a better word. They make you dependent on him from the beginning of the game. You even joke about it.6) The whole alien VI introduction was to warm you up to the idea of a lying manipulative VI. I shot the thing so I'm not sure how they are going to make SAM appear sympathetic by blaming (or seduced) without its' inclusion in the storyline. They'll just pull something from thin air I suppose - like with the Rachni.I'll think of more, and add them here later if someone else doesn't beat me to it. 🙂 Guessing for endgame is calling the twist. I just know it is there - not how they answered it.Lastly, maybe snark. Bioware has been trying to convince us to choose the synthesis ending for how many years now? The conflict in game will break the fourth wall here... I just hope they have written it well.1) The "memory blocks" will work for blaming Dad only so long. That he can't seem to figure out a way around them is a thin excuse at best... that they unlock with triggers in places no human has ever been, or as progression points, completely implausible. Dad set that up in advance? C'mon.2) He can kill you at any moment and fails to mention that... until he needs to kill you. How is that symbiotic? More like it is easier to retrieve a tool than make a new one. Maybe that is traumatic - but like losing an arm traumatic. He can get a new one.3) He cannot find/speak to any other SAM... until you find them and then suddenly that works fine.4) He volunteers little for information that doesn't suit his own devices except for keeping you alive for the moment. He's more than happy to suggest we lie to the VI hackers though. I have to manually dig through Nexus security footage and ask for enhancement with a VI that will automatically crack through alien security codes and open doors without being asked?5) Even by the end of the game you're not much more than a convenient platform for carrying him around. Dependent on him is a better word. They make you dependent on him from the beginning of the game. You even joke about it.6) The whole alien VI introduction was to warm you up to the idea of a lying manipulative VI. I shot the thing so I'm not sure how they are going to make SAM appear sympathetic by blaming (or seduced) without its' inclusion in the storyline. They'll just pull something from thin air I suppose - like with the Rachni.I'll think of more, and add them here later if someone else doesn't beat me to it. 🙂 Guessing for endgame is calling the twist. I just know it is there - not how they answered it.Lastly, maybe snark. Bioware has been trying to convince us to choose the synthesis ending for how many years now? The conflict in game will break the fourth wall here... I just hope they have written it well.

I also have this feeling. However, I do think that Alec ... might also be somber. He might have been saved to return later, if you know what I mean.

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asakti
New Scout
9 years ago
At least we'll now have a sexy male robot on our team.

But yeah - Bioware is still stuck on their synthesis ending. If I had the option, I would rip SAM out of my Ryder's head. I can see it going badly, and SAM doesn't really seem like a character.
Anonymous
9 years ago
I like SAM and I would rather see him grow with my Ryder then turn evil or be evil.

Would rather see SAM as proof that AI and organic can co-exist.

However, each SAM is a seperate identity. I could see a SAM who is linked with a Pathfinder that has a volitile personality going bad. Just not the Ryders SAM. Not unless it gets hacked or is effected by the scourge or something.
Anonymous
9 years ago
I think jpcerutti1 is one of those crazed anti-AI zealots! He/she wants us to go back to living in caves, and using rocks as tools!
jpcerutti1
9 years ago
@Nykara360 wrote:

I like SAM and I would rather see him grow with my Ryder then turn evil or be evil.

Would rather see SAM as proof that AI and organic can co-exist.

However, each SAM is a seperate identity. I could see a SAM who is linked with a Pathfinder that has a volitile personality going bad. Just not the Ryders SAM. Not unless it gets hacked or is effected by the scourge or something.

Spoiler

You have to admit, it is pretty classic 2001 Space Odyssey to put the tic of making ER's survival paramount into his programming to allow him to run amok. I can totally hear his creepy voice giving me the HAL 9000 "I'm sorry Sara, I'm afraid I can't do that" speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE

...only this one can stop your heart whenever it would like.
Anonymous
9 years ago
Maybe it's the way around. Sarah/Scott start killing all kitten and puppy people start raising on the Nexus, bathing with the innocents' blood, then SAM intervenes, vitually crying with boolean tears, "I'm afraid of you, Scott. I can't allow you to kill Bongo (Vetra's kitten) or any other small defenseless, fluffy animal. I'll have to kill us both, for the sake of these puppies."

Our Sarah/Scott turns on the spot (as if SAM was behind them, sneaky bastar*), and with a deep, slow, hoarse, mutant-like voice, "I'm not my fatheeeeeer"

Saga ends. Poof.
VladVonCastein
9 years ago
@PandaTar wrote:

Maybe it's the way around. Sarah/Scott start killing all kitten and puppy people start raising on the Nexus, bathing with the innocents' blood, then SAM intervenes, vitually crying with boolean tears, "I'm afraid of you, Scott. I can't allow you to kill Bongo (Vetra's kitten) or any other small defenseless, fluffy animal. I'll have to kill us both, for the sake of these puppies."

Our Sarah/Scott turns on the spot (as if SAM was behind them, sneaky bastar*), and with a deep, slow, hoarse, mutant-like voice, "I'm not my fatheeeeeer"

Saga ends. Poof.

Think the bioware people are cat people rather than dog people... Dont even see a single dog in the game, but cats... Well Vetra was complaining about Sid giving out some resources to make cats, the Angarian are feline looking and the Kett, well phonetically they sound like cats.
Anonymous
9 years ago
and from the first series, the krogans were the dogs... the neutered dogs.
jpcerutti1
9 years ago
@PandaTar wrote:

Maybe it's the way around. Sarah/Scott start killing all kitten and puppy people start raising on the Nexus, bathing with the innocents' blood, then SAM intervenes, vitually crying with boolean tears, "I'm afraid of you, Scott. I can't allow you to kill Bongo (Vetra's kitten) or any other small defenseless, fluffy animal. I'll have to kill us both, for the sake of these puppies."

Our Sarah/Scott turns on the spot (as if SAM was behind them, sneaky bastar*), and with a deep, slow, hoarse, mutant-like voice, "I'm not my fatheeeeeer"

Saga ends. Poof.

Spoiler
While I know you are going for joke, they have now established the plot device of your death to have you play your twin.

If your death was traumatic for SAM... initially they merge a dead guy with SAM and then you die twice more. Once by SAM's choice. You're not even offered the option of saying no. That makes sense, since you're no longer allowed to make those decisions. SAM controls you. Yow watch the replacement of your neurons, that die, with the blue ones, which are SAM. Each time you die this happens. You are becoming SAM by attrition.

They keep killing you and bringing you back, like death is some kind of parlor trick in the game. Where is the dialogue option to discuss your multiple deaths with Lexi? To even answer her when she (or anyone else) brings it up to you with anything that is neither flip or practically justified on the conversation wheel? It can alter your body chemistry, effect your senses, control your muscles - you weren't given the option. SAM *is* learning with you as you progress through the game; it is learning control.
Anonymous
9 years ago
That's an interesting notion. :eahigh_file: It wouldn't save the whole plot, but at least this small part would be more enigmatic, somber, interesting. Alas, AI. Thanks for sharing. 😉
jpcerutti1
9 years ago
@PandaTar wrote:

That's an interesting notion. :eahigh_file: It wouldn't save the whole plot, but at least this small part would be more enigmatic, somber, interesting. Alas, AI. Thanks for sharing. 😉

When SAM takes over it is going to appeal to you, try to rationalize it, and throw every no real win decision the game has forced you to make in your face to justify. I'm gonna yell at this pixel box... I only hope they allow you to fight back somehow and have written it well.🙂

I am a little disappointed that the illusion of choice is pretty thin in this first episode - that it isn't really there shows.

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