Why Can't We Lie Sometimes?
There are times where I'd like the option to be "dishonorable" and you know something? I'd be okay if it had an adverse affect on my relationships with certain people (or improved it in some cases)....
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"...Why would we only be able to lie/go back on our word sometimes and not more/all the time?..."
For the same/similar reasons you can't do a trigger/"impulsive" action all the time. In the scenario you named, I agree with it applying there, but I don't think it should apply most of the time.
I think we partially agree.... or maybe we completely agree just for slightly different reasons, haha.
@PretzleMe wrote:
"...Why would we only be able to lie/go back on our word sometimes and not more/all the time?..."
For the same/similar reasons you can't do a trigger/"impulsive" action all the time. In the scenario you named, I agree with it applying there, but I don't think it should apply most of the time.
I think we partially agree.... or maybe we completely agree just for slightly different reasons, haha.
Then, like it or not, you are stuck with me agreeing with you here. 🙂
"....Then, like it or not, you are stuck with me agreeing with you here. 🙂..."
But why? Can't you just disagree with me on this a little? Come on! LOL
It's cool. I mean, no! I'm not stuck with you, you're stuck with me!!
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"....That's because it's written that you can. It's pretty obviously that this part is written that you just can't...."
You lost me here. I'm sorry. I don't understand what you're driving at. It's a Kett Base. One you've beaten before. You beat other Kett bases. There is no logical in game reason why you can't beat this base again.
I'm not talking about how the developers didn't want us to. That's obvious. I am just talking about the fact that there are missions, that as they are currently written, it doesn't make sense you're limited.
I would have liked to have no been so limited in those handful of situations but I also would have been okay if those missions were written better to where the limitation(s) made sense.
@PretzleMe wrote:
"....Then, like it or not, you are stuck with me agreeing with you here. 🙂..."
But why? Can't you just disagree with me on this a little? Come on! LOL
It's cool. I mean, no! I'm not stuck with you, you're stuck with me!!
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"....That's because it's written that you can. It's pretty obviously that this part is written that you just can't...."
You lost me here. I'm sorry. I don't understand what you're driving at. It's a Kett Base. One you've beaten before. You beat other Kett bases. There is no logical in game reason why you can't beat this base again.
I'm not talking about how the developers didn't want us to. That's obvious. I am just talking about the fact that there are missions, that as they are currently written, it doesn't make sense you're limited.
I would have liked to have no been so limited in those handful of situations but I also would have been okay if those missions were written better to where the limitation(s) made sense.
It would be *nice* (but not required) to clarify why they think you can take out a base, but can't take the more important religious base that's being supported by multiple Kett cruisers. I mean they are 100% totally identical and there's no difference except you aren't told that reinforcements are on their way this time to the more important location...
/sarcasm
"...It would be *nice* (but not required) to clarify why they think you can take out a base,..."
Why shouldn't it be necessary to either give us the logical ability to do something or give us the logical reason(s) we cannot? That doesn't make sense to me. I mean technically it isn't necessary for anyone to do anything. By this standard, they don't have to release a bug free game.
But from the perspective that should be assumed, no, it should be required that something that significant make sense.
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"...This is not how I perceive it: ,,,:
Reading what you wrote here, I can see how your interpretation of the events here would make sense but for me, this is a suspension of disbelief moment. What I mean is, there are enough indicators in my opinion that between your team and the other, you do clear the whole base. The problem here is (a problem a feel is common in this game) the developer and or writers want something to be and rather than logic it out, they rely on our suspension of disbelief a bit too much.
So we accept infinite spawns of whatever even though it makes no sense. So in this case, despite me truly believing the base would have been cleared, I accept the infinite Kett that seem to come from nowhere and I know this is solely because they want your escape to feel that much more epic and that much more necessary.
But regardless, as that cutscene indicates, you're the only one the remaining Kett are focused on and that is likely due to them having orders that the Moshae is more important than anyone else at the base.
So I disagree with your interpretation here, but find your interpretation a logical one and think it is possible you are correct.
"...Hm... I guess it was *implied* that infiltrating the base required a lot of effort, and that even SAM alone would not be able to break the force field (like it needed those encrypted codes from the Resistance)..."
Something that important definitely shouldn't be implied. This is especially true since the reveal of many other details would suggest a different implication. Even Jaal suggests we would be able to return.
Now for me, this is the same situation as how they kill Alec Ryder, where I can admit that I cannot think of a way to accomplish exactly what they wanted and have it make perfect sense to me.
Sure, I can think of how to kill Alec Ryder and have it make logical sense (or even better not do the cliche thing and not kill him and still have it make sense that he must transfer the Pathfinder role to you) but I cant really think of a way to do that and have him do it saving us.
Here, I can think of a way to where they cannot do both at that moment and it makes perfect sense, but cannot think of a way that makes sense that would prevent us from coming back almost immediately. In fact, SAM could have been ordered to create a sort of hidden backdoor into the shields and or allow him to shut the defenses down.
So to me, the easier solution would have been to allow us to break our word and have it affect something else later and they even have a mission or two that already works for that change.
"...Not the best writing for sure, but it makes at least *some* sense that both Resistance and Initiative have too few resources to risk assaulting the base again...."
Not really. You assaulted this base with how many Angarans and you just freed how many more? I would have loved a return mission to the base and have it be even more difficult by the way.
Anyway, no, it didn't make any sense. You broke the base using so few of the resistance and granted what that facility represents and what it does, they would actually likely want to send an even stronger force there and be sure to destroy that base.
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I will not lie guys, I rarely pay attention to the music in video games. The onyl way I notice music is if it i really good and even then it is onyl at certain parts I may notice, but most of the time I don't remember at all, lol.
i just figured the wave, after wave kett spawns were an advanced force sent by the cruisers, as i'd think a shuttles conventional engines are faster then a cruisers. though we never see shuttles, figured they landed at another pad, as the one we're holding is too hot for a landing zone.
By this logic, we shouldn't have bothered to flee the Archon's flagship, either. Yet that was definitely supposed to be an overwhelming number of Kett in that one cruiser.
So even though you are god-pathfinder (maybe max level with max gear) but you have to put it in context of your level 30-40 character that the game was really designed around at that point.
The attack on the Kett Cathedral was much earlier. You are doing a desperate rescue mission that becomes even more desperate after you find out about exaltation. Troops may have arrived to help, but the loss of those troops at that point means the Resistance doesn't arrive to help defeat the Archon in the final battle because they were that critical. Remember, the Angarians didn't really believe they could win against the Kett.
And they may be right, as the Kett were mostly winning while the Archon abused his authority to research the Remnant. It's heavily implied that with the 2nd in command now in charge, that's going to no longer be the case.
I just don't think about where they're coming from. Like I said, there's actually no explanation nor do their numbers make sense or any of that. In one Kett Base, I literally watched them appear out of thin air.
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"....So even though you are god-pathfinder (maybe max level with max gear) but you have to put it in context of your level 30-40 character that the game was really designed around at that point..."
This isn't relevant to the point(s) made and I feel like the rest of your post goes further off topic. Because of that, I am just not understanding what you're trying to say. Again, I apologize.
But this isn't a situation about me thinking we should be able to do anything and everything. This is clear because I describe a scenario where we would be unable to do both right there and I would have accepted as much.
No, the problem is we did something. It doesn't matter if we barely did it or if we looked like gods while doing it (which is why this was irrelevant) the bottom line is, we proved to be capable of doing it. The base doesn't change, and Jaal even states we'll come back and yet we don't.
That is bad writing and that aspect of the mission was likely poorly written because they were too focused on their immediate goals/desires for that part. That is my opinion.
Jaal could have been being hopeful that they could come back. If I was the Archon and that facility was that important, I probably would park a few cruisers over it. And double the guards.
"....So even though you are god-pathfinder (maybe max level with max gear) but you have to put it in context of your level 30-40 character that the game was really designed around at that point..."
This isn't relevant to the point(s) made and I feel like the rest of your post goes further off topic. Because of that, I am just not understanding what you're trying to say. Again, I apologize.
But this isn't a situation about me thinking we should be able to do anything and everything. This is clear because I describe a scenario where we would be unable to do both right there and I would have accepted as much.
No, the problem is we did something. It doesn't matter if we barely did it or if we looked like gods while doing it (which is why this was irrelevant) the bottom line is, we proved to be capable of doing it. The base doesn't change, and Jaal even states we'll come back and yet we don't.
That is bad writing and that aspect of the mission was likely poorly written because they were too focused on their immediate goals/desires for that part. That is my opinion.
Except that's not actually what you did. You did not defeat the entire base, you managed to rescue the Moshae and force the commander to release the Angarians from the pods, giving you just enough time to escape before the heavy Kett reinforcements arrive. As in multiple Kett cruisers worth of Kett reinforcements.
You did not defeat everyone in the base. In fact, you are fleeing for you lives as they send overwhelming forces to kill/capture you.
The fact you think so is just you being wishful.
Whether a person believes that we clear the entire base or not.... whether a person believes we're capable of clearing the whole base or not.... has no bearing on the fact, that as things were done, we could have blown up the base and rescued the Angarans at the same time.
It also has no bearing on the fact that we could return to the base and blow it up because we didn't have to clear the entire base in order for SAM to be able to overload the base and blow it up. He was technically able to do it almost from the very beginning of us being there.
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And this right here:
"....The fact you think so is just you being wishful...."
...even if it isn't intentional, is condescending. We disagree. There is enough to support that we either cleared this base or that we had the capability to clear this base.... there is enough to support not agreeing with that idea. In either case, there's no need to try to label my opinion as "wishful" as though your opinion here is somehow superior. It isn't and either one of us could be wrong about whether the base was clearable/cleared by us or not.
@PretzleMe wrote:
Whether a person believes that we clear the entire base or not.... whether a person believes we're capable of clearing the whole base or not.... has no bearing on the fact, that as things were done, we could have blown up the base and rescued the Angarans at the same time.
It also has no bearing on the fact that we could return to the base and blow it up because we didn't have to clear the entire base in order for SAM to be able to overload the base and blow it up. He was technically able to do it almost from the very beginning of us being there.
We *do* get to disagree! Yay!😃
I don't know. Those dual spawning Fiends (plus filler Kett) on one fairly narrow walkway was the most intense fight for me the entire game. I couldn't even kill them both before the other respawned. It was just as intense, and even more desperate, than my first Architect fight. Mostly that's my own idiot fault, because it didn't dawn on me until late to turn and run, but I've always been able to beat these guys up to this point. Literally down to last rounds, Cobras gone, leaping about and cursing the cooldown timer. No idea where my companions are on the map as I dodge... every man for himself.
Oh, that was a good fight. 😃 Only made it out because the script let me. if that were a little more realistic it would of been SAM blowing it up with me in/on it.
I need to know what we're disagreeing about before I respond because I didn't say it wasn't a good fight. That's my favorite fight in the whole game to be honest and as I mentioned before, I have stayed there and fought for a VERY long time and not because I was a "god" at the time. Far from it, but that was a great challenge to me.
But in my opinion, there were only so many enemies because they scripted it so because they just wanted you to leave. Now if we kept watching cruisers show up.... you know something? That would have worked as well, like if ships had shown up and started shooting you. Oh yeah, leaving perfectly works.
Anyway, so yes, I feel like they had to script you escaping because they scripted infinite spawns.
So maybe we touched on where we disagree? I just can't tell, lol.
@PretzleMe wrote:
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And this right here:
"....The fact you think so is just you being wishful...."
...even if it isn't intentional, is condescending. We disagree. There is enough to support that we either cleared this base or that we had the capability to clear this base.... there is enough to support not agreeing with that idea. In either case, there's no need to try to label my opinion as "wishful" as though your opinion here is somehow superior. It isn't and either one of us could be wrong about whether the base was clearable/cleared by us or not.
Only if you ignore facts. You jump into the shuttle as the Kett keep attacking. It's not leisurely strolling out after defeating everyone and thinking that you should destroy the base. You are having very selective recall if you think otherwise.
@PretzleMe wrote:
I need to know what we're disagreeing about before I respond because I didn't say it wasn't a good fight. That's my favorite fight in the whole game to be honest and as I mentioned before, I have stayed there and fought for a VERY long time and not because I was a "god" at the time. Far from it, but that was a great challenge to me.
But in my opinion, there were only so many enemies because they scripted it so because they just wanted you to leave. Now if we kept watching cruisers show up.... you know something? That would have worked as well, like if ships had shown up and started shooting you. Oh yeah, leaving perfectly works.
Anyway, so yes, I feel like they had to script you escaping because they scripted infinite spawns.
So maybe we touched on where we disagree? I just can't tell, lol.
You actually have SAM telling you multiple times that Kett reinforcement cruisers are on their way and will be arriving any moment. They may have 'told' rather than shown, but it is explained.
It isn't about ignoring facts in my case, it is about you ignoring what I am saying. Several times I pointed out the fact that they script infinite spawns to make things happen. They clearly do that here. As I mentioned before, even in a Kett Base, I literally watched enemies appear out of nowhere.
Clearly this was such a situation. So they didn't spawn this magical army until they wanted you to leave which means they only did it because they wanted us to leave. This doesn't mean the base wasn't cleared first. In fact, someone else explained it that to them, they thought these forces had shown up because they were the reinforcements being deployed (I think someone said something along those lines).
So no, I didn't ignore anything. It is just your perspective on why there was an infinity army there and mine are different. It isn't wishful thinking, it's a different perspective.
@PretzleMe wrote:
It isn't about ignoring facts in my case, it is about you ignoring what I am saying. Several times I pointed out the fact that they script infinite spawns to make things happen. They clearly do that here. As I mentioned before, even in a Kett Base, I literally watched enemies appear out of nowhere.
Clearly this was such a situation. So they didn't spawn this magical army until they wanted you to leave which means they only did it because they wanted us to leave. This doesn't mean the base wasn't cleared first. In fact, someone else explained it that to them, they thought these forces had shown up because they were the reinforcements being deployed (I think someone said something along those lines).
So no, I didn't ignore anything. It is just your perspective on why there was an infinity army there and mine are different. It isn't wishful thinking, it's a different perspective.
No, mine actually has facts that you are totally ignoring because it's inconvenient. Which means no other facts I bring up will make a difference as you do not have an open mind. You've made your decision and your are going to stay with it, even if you are wrong. Or most especially if you are wrong.
So I guess this will have to be the end of it.
"....No, mine actually has facts that you are totally ignoring because it's inconvenient...."
You are ignoring the fact that the game doesn't state where the infinite spawn is coming from. You're also ignoring the fact that it is not stated as to whether you did and/or could clear the base. In your opinion, we cannot/could not, but that is not the same as fact.
When you say that me believing we could have cleared the base is wishful thinking, you are ignoring the fact that SAM possessed the ability to blow up the base from almost the beginning of us entering the base. Thus you are ignoring the fact that my point(s) are not been dependent on our ability to clear the base or lack thereof.
You are also ignoring the fact that I clearly stated scenarios that I would have been fine with that do not allow us to be able to do save the Angarans and blow up the facility.
I have also pointed out the fact that Jaal states that we can come back and destroy it later, a fact you chose to dismiss because it was inconvenient to your theory.
it honestly seems like you're confused about what we have been discussing here, the events during the Moshae's rescue, and or what I am/have been saying.
I wish I could explain it clearer to make it easier for you to understand and equally wish you were able to do the same for me. Being you seem unwilling to/incapable of accepting, not just the facts, but different perspectives regarding them, you maybe correct in thinking it might be best for you to end things here.
Regardless, I do appreciate you attempting to participate in this discussion.
i suppose i can go through my reinforcement theory again if you like? if no one is interested just scroll past this...
we know that cruisers are approaching the kett facility, as to why it takes so long, my guess is that they don't have in-system ftl capability (meaning they are incapable of either plotting or executing an flt jump where the start & end points are too close together, or it might have to do with atmospheric interference i guess, not really important).
shuttles are likely faster then said cruiser so they arrive first (didn't add the science lecture this time). we don't see them as they couldn't drop then in the thick of your ground forces, so the shuttles made drops at an alternate shuttlepad, on their way through the facility the kett troopers & heavy gunners released the finished fiends locked in their cells in the exaltation facility, as the shuttles return to the cruisers to drop more kett on that alternate landing pad, rinse & repeat. unending waves of kett and fiends.
The cruisers approaching may indeed becoming from lightspeed. Now, going by what other science-fiction series offered on the subject, jumping from lightspeed into a planet's atmosphere is not recommended.
I've looked at the conversation also when rescuing the Moshae.
SAM has access to the EM Field that he can overload. That could simply be the field around the base and it might even imply that SAM can shut down the base at least temporarily with an EMP, but I did not run into anything that suggests SAM could actually destroy the base. Also using an EMP to fry the base's systems could also disallow the Resistance to free the other Angara, so it would have to be done afterwards. Best case scenario it would've been an option once you escape.
So, the Kett cruisers are reported to be approaching just before the choice is offered. SAM can at least shut down this EM Field by overloading it, but I still do not see any evidence that SAM could actually just blow up the base.
Now, when I think about it, the possibility of blowing up the base with all the Kett in it after you narrowly escape does have a strong appeal, but clearly the other options in that moment of choice would pale by comparison. I think it would've been more interesting to give the choice whether you choose to direct the Resistance to set charges on their way out so you could blow it up or to indeed save their fellow Angara. Having SAM actually blow up the base after saving the Moshae, saving the PoWs and the Resistance getting out on time would just be a deus ex machina style solution that I personally wouldn't find very satisfying. It'd feel way over the top to me. SAM sort of is the go-to solution for everything that you cannot do yourself as it is and there's quite a bit of that going around already. I mean if SAM can just blow up entire Kett bases from a distance, why not Kett cruisers?
No, I think they already have given SAM too much power as it is and I don't think I'd like it to be even more of a crutch in the story. I kinda want Ryder to be the hero and not SAM and that line is pretty thin as it is.
Well, I believe that discussion can be reduced to the question: can Ryder get close enough to the base / inside the base so SAM detonates the Kett generator and destroys the whole base? In this regards it doesn't really matter how much Ketts or Kett cruisers there are - it is only about triggering the detonation.
And again, I believe that it is a matter of perspective.
Technically, it should be quite ease to approach the base, get through the field, stand there for 5 minutes without engaging anyone just to give SAM time to sabotage the generator, then leave through the field just before the big BOOM. Mission accomplished.
On the other hand, Ketts are probably able to trace how Ryder got to the base the first time, they are aware how SAM was going to detonate it, and they obviously are very dedicated to protecting the base. It is quite possible that they will make adjustment to the force field, to switch the pattern to change frequencies in irregular periods, to signal any interruption in its continuity no matter what (like even if the force field is intentionally opened to allow shuttles or something it automatically triggers alarm and points to the opening place), etc. Generators can be disconnected and set for manual control, they can be shielded with materials that will prevent EM wave from spreading, they can be replaced with two-stage systems, etc.
I do agree it should be made clear to us (like Moshae telling us after the mission: "Our agents discovered that Ketts changed force field frequencies, and shielded generators - we will not be able to destroy the base anymore! Now Ketts will be capturing and exalting more of our people - all because of Your poor choice HUMAN!" instead of "You have not listened to me, blah, blah, blah!"). Implying things like this, or even just leaving them for players to sort out is, well, POOR WRITING.
On the bright side... Perhaps they are simply going to add another take on the base in some free DLC; or to dedicate some special MP mission just to deal with it... ;-)
Uh... But SAM *does* detonate the base if You chose so? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av1j45-YUtY - around 40:30
As far as I understand it, when we are in the base SAM can compromise Kett's systems, and overload the generator, which triggers the explosion. But in order to activate the event SAM/Ryder must be inside the base / inside the force field. It would be the same thing with cruisers: perhaps SAM would be able to detonate them if Ryder was INSIDE such cruiser.
I do agree that it makes SAM overpowered, and that it actually would make much more sense if Resistance and Ryder's team were simply planting some charges as they go... But well, if Devs are to turn SAM into some super-villain in the sequel, they need to make the whole thing greater than life, don't they? ;-)
@Kondaru wrote:
Uh... But SAM *does* detonate the base if You chose so? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av1j45-YUtY - around 40:30
As far as I understand it, when we are in the base SAM can compromise Kett's systems, and overload the generator, which triggers the explosion. But in order to activate the event SAM/Ryder must be inside the base / inside the force field. It would be the same thing with cruisers: perhaps SAM would be able to detonate them if Ryder was INSIDE such cruiser.
I do agree that it makes SAM overpowered, and that it actually would make much more sense if Resistance and Ryder's team were simply planting some charges as they go... But well, if Devs are to turn SAM into some super-villain in the sequel, they need to make the whole thing greater than life, don't they? ;-)
Ahh thanks for that. I never chose that option so far so I didn't realise that this is what happened there.
Now I get where Pretzelme was coming from. I didn't realise that overloading the EM Field was how he destroyed the base in that option. I indeed assumed it was blown up with charges or something like that.
Yeah now this whole choice as it was done makes even less sense. I don't see how in that time frame the Resistance could save the remaining prisoners and get out before SAM blows up the base.
Blowing the base is the most logical conclusion rescuing the prisoners was jaal basically side tracking you if anything any resistence member dead is on his head because he never bothered to consult you on it anyway
sadly the angaran as a race aren't very likable specially the last conversation on aya after the epilogue
Spoilerthey basically say that maybe they should attack us and claim meridian for them selves i was like your lucky i can't Renegade in this game or I would use the meridian control center to wipe you guys out seriously talk about ungreatful * :D
@ViViD_Prime wrote:
Blowing the base is the most logical conclusion rescuing the prisoners was jaal basically side tracking you if anything any resistence member dead is on his head because he never bothered to consult you on it anyway
sadly the angaran as a race aren't very likable specially the last conversation on aya after the epilogue
Spoilerthey basically say that maybe they should attack us and claim meridian for them selves i was like your lucky i can't Renegade in this game or I would use the meridian control center to wipe you guys out seriously talk about ungreatful * :DHow would we feel if the situation was reversed and the Angara just showed up in the milky way and started taking over all of the prothean tech? Especially if they found some big arsed space station the size of a planet and said nah you can't have it - we have it now? I bet almost everyone would be here crying for us to wipe them out, get them out of the milkyway and get our tech back. There would certainly be humans in the game saying that also reguardless if you chose to or not. Can't really blame the Angara ... we are taking over their cluster one planet at a time and the rem tech they have been studying for years.
@Nykara360 wrote:
@ViViD_Prime wrote:
Blowing the base is the most logical conclusion rescuing the prisoners was jaal basically side tracking you if anything any resistence member dead is on his head because he never bothered to consult you on it anyway
sadly the angaran as a race aren't very likable specially the last conversation on aya after the epilogue
Spoilerthey basically say that maybe they should attack us and claim meridian for them selves i was like your lucky i can't Renegade in this game or I would use the meridian control center to wipe you guys out seriously talk about ungreatful * :DHow would we feel if the situation was reversed and the Angara just showed up in the milky way and started taking over all of the prothean tech? Especially if they found some big arsed space station the size of a planet and said nah you can't have it - we have it now? I bet almost everyone would be here crying for us to wipe them out, get them out of the milkyway and get our tech back. There would certainly be humans in the game saying that also reguardless if you chose to or not. Can't really blame the Angara ... we are taking over their cluster one planet at a time and the rem tech they have been studying for years.
Humans are a pushy lot. Large scale immigration, manifest destiny, and culture friction are all themes they touch upon - and will probably continue to.
Add to that the discovery that Angara appear to be either created or at least placed by the Jaardan I can understand feeling a little entitled to the remnant tech.
@Nykara360 wrote:
How would we feel if the situation was reversed and the Angara just showed up in the milky way and started taking over all of the prothean tech? Especially if they found some big arsed space station the size of a planet and said nah you can't have it - we have it now? I bet almost everyone would be here crying for us to wipe them out, get them out of the milkyway and get our tech back. There would certainly be humans in the game saying that also reguardless if you chose to or not. Can't really blame the Angara ... we are taking over their cluster one planet at a time and the rem tech they have been studying for years.
Well, this a a bit of a misrepresentation isn't it?
Let's rephrase that:
How would we feel if our universe was threatened by the scourge and invading aliens while our planets are dying and the Angara just drop in and reactivate prothean tech that revitalises our planets while smashing the invading aliens that are kidnapping us, only asking for some outposts in return so they have a place to live?
"...i suppose i can go through my reinforcement theory again if you like?..."
Okay, so that was you/your theory. I knew someone had said something to this affect and I thought it a feasible way to explain the infinite waves. It's a solid theory but even without that theory, I was accepting of that situation. And not just because it's my favorite fight in the whole game, lol.
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"... but I did not run into anything that suggests SAM could actually destroy the base..."
He literally stated that he could.
SAM: "Pathfinder, it seems the program I used to breach the shield could overload it and destroy this facility."
And I know that you accepted that SAM could destroy the facility, but I don't think it was addressed that this was in fact suggested whether you blow the base up or not and I wanted to make sure that people knew that it actually was.
"...Yeah now this whole choice as it was done makes even less sense. I don't see how in that time frame the Resistance could save the remaining prisoners and get out before SAM blows up the base..."
Sometimes, a horse is just a horse. What I mean is, if the Cardinal is saying that they will only open all the pods if we promise to leave that facility standing, it is because we could have still destroyed the base.
Also, as pointed out, when you choose to save the Angarans, they escape before reinforcements arrive. So combine that with the Cardinal's plea (which would be unnecessary otherwise) you can obviously do both. You just choose not to because of your word.
Was there a way to write this to where logically it would have been impossible to do both at that time? Absolutely. Simple really. SAM being in their system prevents the Cardinals code from working so SAM has to release his ability to destroy the facility in order for all the pods to open and re-establishing a link would take too long as reinforcements would have arrived before he could finish connecting to their system that way again.
Not how it was done though. The way they did it, the Cardinal recognizes that you could still destroy the facility if it agreed to open all the pods simultaneously. That isn't perspecive, in actuality it is essentially the use of a common writer's tool: exposition. Where a character in a story explains to us the situation as it is.
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"...In this regards it doesn't really matter how much Ketts or Kett cruisers there are - it is only about triggering the detonation.
And again, I believe that it is a matter of perspective..."
Of course, technically you are correct that this would be a matter of perspective of the facts.
But the truth of the matter is, it depends simply on whether or not they want us to be able to return. While technically in a fictional setting with made up technology, you can explain just about anything, it is easier to explain/rationalize us being able to return and destroy the facility, even if it ends up being significantly harder to do so, then it is to try to come up with some reason why that facility is impossible to breach a second time. This is especially true since something like that shouldn't be impossible. Typically speaking in a game, the point of having something like that there is so it can be overcame.
But I digress, my actual point was just that your word is still the only thing that stops you from doing both (and that isn't a perspective, it truly is like that) so there should have been an option to not adhere to your word.
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As far as this, "How would we feel" thing, the reality is any perspective works. They have numerous reasons not to trust us. I mean, we don't even trust us fully so why should they? And even if another race showed up and seemingly was trying to help us, many of us would be skeptical because we're skeptical now if people do that, lol.
So just like we would have many people willing to embrace the aliens, you would have many who never would feeling like the other shoe is going to drop and that everyone is a sucker for thinking this is all good will.
And the reason we have that mentality is because we do that sort of thing to one another. We've invaded and conquered each other and sometimes did it by playing nice at first.
Nature has done this... well, with a little help from us, in the form of invasive species. So sure, we may be helpful now and only want a few outposts now... but it is logical for them to be thinking ahead. It is logical to be worried that they may be substituting one threat for an even worse threat.
But it is also understandable why many of them would trust us... but I guess in the end, regardless as to what someone does, many people are going to have a problem being forced to share their home.
