10 years ago
blackridge rivals
is anyone else having trouble with these races? i seem to have lost just as many as ive won and more often than not if you "just" win a race you gain less points than you lose if you "just" lose a ra...
@7ru3blu3 wrote:
@richieluv76 great explanation, +1. But You you missed the most important question: How does the game decide who I race against? When I am close to reaching the next rank the game starts matching me against "good races" of -150 SP players repeatedly until I make a mistake.
@7ru3blu3 now thats the real question, i'm at a complete loss as to how the matching works and i think thats what is frustrating most of us, it just seems so random, especially when you take into account how well some of the lower ranked players are racing!
@richieluv76 You are right about the SP gain/loss and to be honest, it seems fair to me, although, I would add something to the formula. I would factor in difference in car's PR. I don't see it fair that a McLaren driver loses 50 sp for racing against a CCX, I'd give it a -30 or something like that, but never more, since the CCX is obviously superior (when almost maxed).
@TheRealJony You don't deserve a ban for playing the game man. It was developer's fault for what happened and there wasn't any way for you to know how it is for someone else. Anyway, even with AI, you have to drive good in order to not drop from 1st place. I bet that even if it wasn't for the AI players you would still be in 1st place, but the score would be closer...like 2nd place would be at 4620 and you at 4630 or something.
I personally enjoy BRR, although it could use a few improvements, overall it was a nice experience and I'm happy that I see EA/FM taking care of the hackers and being active in fixing issues with the game - like the AI removal and so on. I think that rating-based rankings are the most fair, since you are penalised for losing, it reflects the consistency in your gameplay and the better players' names will most of the time be found on the table. I struggled a while to get to icon, going back and forth between 4.3k-4.4k, but I finally managed to get to 4.5k then lost again then won again...and the circle repeats now. I don't mind it tho and I feel I have a lot of fun in this game, my purpose wasn't to become #1 since I'm obviously not the best, but I wanted to be on the table xD
I noticed one leaderboard wannabe or Icon wannabe that I recognize from a while ago is now banned again. Good riddance.
@scottfollett Below's my best time on Bypass Run: Blackridge Channel during the night. 😛
@jin1995x wrote:
@TheRealJony No ones taking away your credit for being number one , good job mate, that wouldn't have been possible if you weren't so aggressive when everyone else was laid back, you get the credit for that.
@jin1995x When I saw that Blackridge Rivals currently has no paying advantages, I knew it was possible to be #1 on the leaderboard and reach all three Icon ranks without spending real money.
However, this was before we all realized that AI ghost opponents weren't supposed to be in Blackridge Rivals.
At first, I was both winning and losing races. 50% wins and 50% losses.
Since losses reduced my SP score more than wins increasing my SP score, I was going nowhere.
But with losses comes victory in the end.
I started to memorize the police roadblock setups, when ESF activates, which ramps to take or not to take, and etc. every time I lost (or won) races.
Pretty soon afterwards, I built a winning streak for myself. And since I built a winning streak, the game "rewarded" me an AI ghost opponent to race.
When I saw I got an AI ghost opponent for the first time, I thought in my mind "That's weird. Aren't I supposed to get a real player ghost opponent...? Oh whatevs."
I easily won against the AI ghost opponent and got 55 SP. I thought "Oh cool." in my mind.
Then I got real player ghost opponents to race three times in a row. Won those three races.
Afterwards, I got another AI ghost opponent to race. I thought "Why is the game giving me an AI ghost opponent when Blackridge Rivals is supposed to be racing real player ghost opponents...?"
The same as last time, I easily won against the AI ghost opponent and got 55 SP. I thought "Sweet. 55 SP. Yay!" in my mind.
Raced three real player ghost opponents. Won those three races.
Then I got another AI ghost opponent to race. That was when I came with the conclusion that the game rewards me an AI ghost opponent if I win three races against real player ghost opponents. (However, this can't be said for anybody else.)
That was how I was gaining so much SP over everyone.
I became #1 on the leaderboard and reached both Icon rank I and Icon rank II by building a huge winning streak from winning against real player ghost opponents and AI ghost opponents (whenever the game gives me them to race).
However, I was getting no SP from winning against real player ghost opponents so I had to rely on AI ghost opponents to gain more SP. (Remember that the game gives me AI ghost opponents)
Then I noticed someone was catching up to me rapidly. (You and TudorSicaru should know who this player is)
I thought this player must have used Gold to buy more Rivals tickets and win races against AI ghost opponents to have such a big increase in SP.
As I was #1 on the leaderboard and was the first one to reach Icon rank I and Icon rank II, I wasn't going to let that player reach Icon rank III before me.
So I did the unthinkable...I spent Gold to refill my Rivals tickets numerous times to reach Icon rank III before that player does.
For many of you, it would be the most riskiest thing (and stupidest thing) anyone would ever do. But I knew what I was doing, so my Gold was put to good use. 😉
I had won almost all of the races against real player ghost opponents and all of the races against AI ghost opponents with the Gold I spent. I only lost one race against a real player ghost opponent, but I was able to gain my SP back from winning two races against AI ghost opponents (but I had to win six races against real player ghost opponents first).
Eventually, I got 5100 SP and reached Icon rank III.
The player that was catching up to me quick turned out to be a cheater.
I felt like I had wasted my Gold on Rivals tickets to reach Icon rank III first...
Oh well. At least I reached it sooner than expected.
People think I'm a cheater because of my sudden humongous SP increase, but I spent Gold on Rivals tickets and winning against AI ghost opponents (after winning three real player ghost opponents) in reality. 😉
By the way, thanks for the comment. 🙂
@jin1995x wrote:
I did races yesterday got 2 sp, I won't be surprised if i get Even 1sp later on from a race.
You shouldn't be surprised if you get no SP rewards for winning either. 😃
@jin1995x wrote:
Yes hold on to it, you've stopped getting ai because the number of opponents close to you have increased.
If you're going to go on a break from Blackridge Rivals again, feel free to join me. I still have popcorn. XD
@richieluv76 wrote:
@TheRealJony wrote:
Now let's bring in VIP Level 10 player to the mix.
Both the free player and the VIP Level 10 player have the same driving skills as each other. Free player has a maximum limit of 5 Rivals tickets while VIP Level 10 player has a maximum limit of 10 Rivals tickets.
The VIP Level 10 player will have five races extra over the free player and five races extra is a REALLY BIG advantage!
Both players sleep for 8 hours. Both wake up and the free player will have 5 Rivals tickets ready to be used while the VIP Level 10 player will have 8 Rivals tickets to be used. Repeat, repeat.
This is already pay2win, but it gets a heck of a lot worse...
If a free player chooses to spend 60 Gold to refill Rivals tickets, they get 5 Rivals tickets refilled. If a VIP Level 10 player chooses to spend 60 Gold to refill Rivals tickets, they get 10 RIVALS TICKETS REFILLED!!!
Goodness Gracious! 😮
@TheRealJony, hate to break it to you but actually vip players dont get any extra brr tickets, i'm level 8 and still only get 5 tickets, so for once EA have actually got something right and taken out the pay to win option
@7ru3blu3 wrote:
About the 5 vs 10 tickets... actually the number of tickets in BRR do not matter at all. I've been stuck at Champion-III for more than 12 days, I played about 150+ races in between and my SP fluctuated between 4460 and 3960. There were times where I, frustrated, bought 1 refill only to end up with lesser SP. For me at least the number of tickets does not matter.
Having said that, I bet they are going to change it. There was a time when you lost tournament points for losing races in tournaments, but they changed it to encourage people into spending more gold.
@richieluv76 and @7ru3blu3 I believe you guys may need to read from the beginning to know what I'm talking about.
Link: http://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/blackridge-rivals/m-p/5653287/highlight/true#M3265
The VIP level players that have a maximum limit of 6 or more Rivals tickets could happen in the next update when Tournaments are removed.
People paid real money to have a maximum limit of 6 or more Tournament tickets. Tournaments are going to be removed in the next update.
So where will the maximum limit of 6 or more Tournament tickets that people paid for go to?
There's two options:
1. Since Blackridge Rivals will be the new "Tournaments", the maximum limit of Tournament tickets will be transferred to the maximum limit of Rivals tickets.
2. The maximum limit of Tournament tickets disappears along with Tournaments.
The transfer of maximum limit of Tournament tickets is more likely to happen than the removal of it.
Since people paid real money for the maximum limit of Tournament tickets, people would RAGE if things they paid for gets removed from the game permanently.
Now, about the transfer of maximum limit of Tournament tickets turning Blackridge Rivals into pay2win:
Let's say two drivers have the same driving skill. However, one is a free player and the other is a paid player. While the free player has a maximum limit of 5 Rivals tickets, the paid player has a maximum of 6 Rivals tickets.
When the new season in Blackridge Rivals officially starts, the paid player would already have a big advantage over the free player as the paid player could be racing an opponent that awards a lot of SP.
Keep in mind the free player and paid player BOTH have the same driving skills.
Everyone needs to sleep. Everyone needs 8 hours of sleep.
When the free player wakes up, they would have 5 Rivals tickets ready to be used. When the paid player wakes up, they would have 6 Rivals tickets ready to be used. The paid player will have a big advantage over the free player once again in every morning as the paid player will always be able to do one race more than the free player.
With that extra race, the paid player could potentially earn a lot of SP from winning against a high SP opponent. (Remember that the free player and paid player both have the same driving skills)
It gets worse at VIP Level 10.
Once again, let's say the free player and VIP Level 10 player both have the same driving skills. The free player has a maximum limit of 5 Rivals tickets while the paid player has a maximum of 10 RIVALS TICKETS!!!
New season in Blackridge Rivals starts, the VIP Level 10 player will have a serious advantage over the free player. The VIP Level 10 player could potentially get high SP opponents and win a ton of SP with 5 extra Rivals tickets.
Both the free player and VIP Level 10 player have the same driving skills. (I'm repeating this so you guys remember to not take driving skills as a factor)
Both players sleep. Both players wake up. Free player has 5 Rivals tickets ready to be used while VIP Level 10 player has 8 Rivals tickets ready to be used.
With three extra races, the VIP Level 10 player could potentially earn a humongous amount of SP from winning against high SP opponents.
Both have the same driving skills.
The above is already pay2win, but it's gets even more worse.
Free players pay 60 Gold for a refill. They get 5 Rivals tickets refilled.
VIP Level 10 players pay 60 Gold for a refill. They get 10 Rivals tickets refilled.
The VIP Level 10 player has 5 Rivals tickets more than the free player, and those tickets could potentially give the VIP Level 10 player loads of SP rewards from high SP opponents.
And if the free player and VIP Level 10 player were to do a spamming refills contest, the VIP Level 10 player would always get 5 Rivals tickets more than the free player.
Both the free player and VIP Level 10 player have the same driving skills. Always remember this!
@richieluv76 wrote:
@7ru3blu3 now thats the real question, i'm at a complete loss as to how the matching works and i think thats what is frustrating most of us, it just seems so random, especially when you take into account how well some of the lower ranked players are racing!
They're low SP assassins. 😉
They have much lower SP score than you, but they'll surprise you and drive as a high SP player. lol
@TudorSicaru wrote:
@TheRealJony You don't deserve a ban for playing the game man. It was developer's fault for what happened and there wasn't any way for you to know how it is for someone else.
@TudorSicaru Exactly!
It's good to know that someone understands. 🙂
@TudorSicaru wrote:
Anyway, even with AI, you have to drive good in order to not drop from 1st place. I bet that even if it wasn't for the AI players you would still be in 1st place, but the score would be closer...like 2nd place would be at 4620 and you at 4630 or something.
I would think I would have 4650 SP as I would be on a winning streak, like how I had a winning streak when I was gunning for Icon rank III that I mentioned above. 😉
But yea, it would be something like that. 🙂
@TudorSicaru wrote:
I personally enjoy BRR, although it could use a few improvements, overall it was a nice experience and I'm happy that I see EA/FM taking care of the hackers and being active in fixing issues with the game - like the AI removal and so on.
I think you and jin1995x like Blackridge Rivals more than I do. lol
I posted why Blackridge Rivals currently sucks deep in this thread. 😃
Although I posted that quite a while ago, so there may be changes from then to now.
Blackridge Rivals needs some hefty improvements to be more fun than it currently is.
However, I still enjoyed being #1 on the leaderboard and reaching Icon rank I, II, III before anyone else. 😛
But I think preseason will be the only time I would be #1 as the Rivals ticket change I predicted above might come true in the next update.
@TudorSicaru wrote:
I think that rating-based rankings are the most fair, since you are penalised for losing, it reflects the consistency in your gameplay and the better players' names will most of the time be found on the table.
If this comes true in Blackridge Rivals, then I know for sure that I would be on the top of the leaderboard. 👿 lol
@TudorSicaru wrote:
I struggled a while to get to icon, going back and forth between 4.3k-4.4k, but I finally managed to get to 4.5k then lost again then won again...and the circle repeats now. I don't mind it tho and I feel I have a lot of fun in this game, my purpose wasn't to become #1 since I'm obviously not the best, but I wanted to be on the table xD
Hopefully, you'll be able to get back to 4500 SP by the time preseason ends because who knows if staying at 4500 SP is part of the requirement for rewards at the end. 😉
Here's something extra.
I didn't know Pitbull plays No Limits.
I guess No Limits even attracts celebrities. XD
@TheRealJony the whole game is built around a pay to win setup in one way or another; fuel refills, mystery card flips, ticket refills, blackmarket, crates..........
you're just speculating at the moment as what will happen on the removal of tournaments, it hasnt happened yet so stop ranting on about it not being fair that you'll get less tickets, which by the way is your choice, you could also be a vip player but choose not to invest in the game when so many others do invest in the game
you have even admitted that you have used gold for ticket refills, which in essence means you have "paid" to win (and before you say it yes i know you have gotten the gold through daily assignments, that is not the point i'm trying to make) so how is this any different to vip players having more tickets because of their vip level, if you want the game to be totally fair then all options for refills/flips/crates etc should be removed from the game
@richieluv76 wrote:
@TheRealJony the whole game is built around a pay to win setup in one way or another; fuel refills, mystery card flips, ticket refills, blackmarket, crates..........
@richieluv76 These are pay2progressfaster items, not pay2win.
Watch these videos to know more about microtransactions in games:
@richieluv76 wrote:
you're just speculating at the moment as what will happen on the removal of tournaments, it hasnt happened yet so stop ranting on about it not being fair that you'll get less tickets, which by the way is your choice, you could also be a vip player but choose not to invest in the game when so many others do invest in the game
I never said "It will happen". I said "It could happen".
There's a difference between "could" and "will".
@TheRealJony wrote:
@richieluv76 and @7ru3blu3 I believe you guys may need to read from the beginning to know what I'm talking about.
Link: http://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/blackridge-rivals/m-p/5653287/highlight/true#M3265
The VIP level players that have a maximum limit of 6 or more Rivals tickets could happen in the next update when Tournaments are removed.
People paid real money to have a maximum limit of 6 or more Tournament tickets. Tournaments are going to be removed in the next update.
So where will the maximum limit of 6 or more Tournament tickets that people paid for go to?
There's two options:
1. Since Blackridge Rivals will be the new "Tournaments", the maximum limit of Tournament tickets will be transferred to the maximum limit of Rivals tickets.
2. The maximum limit of Tournament tickets disappears along with Tournaments.
The transfer of maximum limit of Tournament tickets is more likely to happen than the removal of it.
Since people paid real money for the maximum limit of Tournament tickets, people would RAGE if things they paid for gets removed from the game permanently.
@richieluv76 wrote:
you have even admitted that you have used gold for ticket refills, which in essence means you have "paid" to win (and before you say it yes i know you have gotten the gold through daily assignments, that is not the point i'm trying to make) so how is this any different to vip players having more tickets because of their vip level
For something to be called pay2win, that something gives benefits to paying players that free players can't get their hands on.
Currently, all players (both free players and paid players) get a maximum of 5 Rivals tickets for each refill. Not pay2win.
Now if VIP players do get a maximum limit of 6-10 Rivals tickets for each refill, then it would be pay2win as it's impossible to get those maximum limits of Rivals tickets without spending real money.
Do not take driving skills as a factor. Both the free player and VIP player have the same driving skills.
If the free player chooses to refill, they get 5 Rivals tickets.
If the VIP player chooses to refill, they get 6-10 Rivals tickets. With 1-5 Rivals tickets more than the free player, the VIP player could potentially score huge SP from winning against big SP opponents with those extra Rivals tickets and creating a big gap of SP from the free player.
@richieluv76 wrote:
if you want the game to be totally fair then all options for refills/flips/crates etc should be removed from the game
There's nothing wrong with pay2progressfaster, but there's a whole lot of wrong with pay2win.
Personally, I don't mind if VIP players do get a bigger maximum limit of Rivals tickets than free players.
As long as all cars are free for everyone, then I'm fine with anything.
I'm only saying all of this because there might be some people that will think bigger maximum limit of Rivals tickets is pay2win as VIP players could potentially score huge SP rewards from winning against high SP opponents with those 1-5 extra Rivals tickets.
NFS World was heavily pay2win.
The best cars in that game costed real money. It was impossible for free players to get their hands on the best cars.
Like all pay2win games, it died.
I don't have any vendetta with paid players. In fact, I want to thank paying players for spending real money in No Limits.
If it weren't for you paying lot, then No Limits would cease to exist and I wouldn't be able to play No Limits for free.
For that, I THANK YOU! I really mean it.
@TheRealJony why couldnt you just say "yes its only speculation and yes it wont affect me as i'm not a vip player" and leave it at that, why do you feel the need to beat me down? or are you just attacking me because i attacked your hero status in another thread? grow up and move on
now lets just throw something else into the mix, what about all those people with "jailbroken" devices that could just keep refilling their tickets?
the only part of yout argument i actually agree with is vip players have an advantage when using ticket refills, i dont fully agree with the sleep issue because a "no life" gamer could wake up after 5 hours, because tickets take 1 hour to generate if a player really wanted to they could play every single ticket that gets generated, but i'm sure you're like me, work and life in general tends to get in the way of things
but that being said, because there is a mechanism in game to gain gold i dont completely agree with the ticket refill issue either because a free player can still get ticket refills, admittedly in the long run it would cost them more gold for the same end result, i personally choose not to use ticket refills, i'd rather save my gold for when special events roll around
but ultimately its only a game, just because somebody gets top of the leaderboard what does that really prove?