Wants verses reality
Its sad really that these days to many cant see past their own nose. What I mean is that recently I have seen more and more blunt , demanding , rude and annoying post in regards to Paybacks current ...
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Your talking so randomly of things you don't understand that you make little sense. Why can't you qote me rather than throw words I say randomly and assume what I say?
Market share for clarification is
Out of total purchases of a customer of a product or service, what percentage goes to a company defines its market share. In other words, if consumers as a whole buy 100 soaps, and 40 of which are from one company, that company holds 40% market share.
The significance of market share: Market share is a measure of the consumers' preference for a product over other similar products. A higher market share usually means greater sales, lesser effort to sell more and a strong barrier to entry for other competitors.
Customer base :
The customer base is the group of customers who repeatedly purchase the goods or services of a business. These customers are a main source of revenue for a company. The customer base may be considered the business's target market, where customer behaviors are well understood through market research or past experience.
What are you talking about kid ? Do you understand that your contradic yourself.
They are telling that as a fact, since you not meeting their demand, by demands mean anything the customer base demand.
What are you talking about dude? What you smoking? How is entitled of them to act as they see fit with their money? They are part of your consumer base, if they chose to stop supporting your company because they don't like your product for any reason is their right as a consumer to do how they like with their money.
Third the reasion you bringing is called cherry picking, there are a ton of complains in the forums and you generalizating and trying to confirm your position, while ignoring a significant portion of many other complains and issues.
And again is their money they can do as they see fit. In fact if anyone here is entitled is you, you want them to support your company even if they don't agree or like your product which is called entitled to others money.
Well boss the origin is for PC gamers, and while there are console gamers there are also many PC gamers which buy their titles. So no is not what I said I said origin client with steam client compared so slow down and read first.
No is not being realistic, if you can't meet your customers demands there will be soon another company who will find a way to implement those features and capitalize on your inability. Your lost is their gain is how the world works today.
And the reasion I replied to Mast and explained all that if you want to make good profit and have better market share with your product you have to sacrifice rather than play safe and be under EA , their rules, schedule and demands.
Next time or qoute me full or don't reply becuse you misquoting and just adding words randomly.
Market share for clarification is
Out of total purchases of a customer of a product or service, what percentage goes to a company defines its market share. In other words, if consumers as a whole buy 100 soaps, and 40 of which are from one company, that company holds 40% market share.
The significance of market share: Market share is a measure of the consumers' preference for a product over other similar products. A higher market share usually means greater sales, lesser effort to sell more and a strong barrier to entry for other competitors.
Customer base :
The customer base is the group of customers who repeatedly purchase the goods or services of a business. These customers are a main source of revenue for a company. The customer base may be considered the business's target market, where customer behaviors are well understood through market research or past experience.
What are you talking about kid ? Do you understand that your contradic yourself.
They are telling that as a fact, since you not meeting their demand, by demands mean anything the customer base demand.
What are you talking about dude? What you smoking? How is entitled of them to act as they see fit with their money? They are part of your consumer base, if they chose to stop supporting your company because they don't like your product for any reason is their right as a consumer to do how they like with their money.
Third the reasion you bringing is called cherry picking, there are a ton of complains in the forums and you generalizating and trying to confirm your position, while ignoring a significant portion of many other complains and issues.
And again is their money they can do as they see fit. In fact if anyone here is entitled is you, you want them to support your company even if they don't agree or like your product which is called entitled to others money.
Well boss the origin is for PC gamers, and while there are console gamers there are also many PC gamers which buy their titles. So no is not what I said I said origin client with steam client compared so slow down and read first.
No is not being realistic, if you can't meet your customers demands there will be soon another company who will find a way to implement those features and capitalize on your inability. Your lost is their gain is how the world works today.
And the reasion I replied to Mast and explained all that if you want to make good profit and have better market share with your product you have to sacrifice rather than play safe and be under EA , their rules, schedule and demands.
Next time or qoute me full or don't reply becuse you misquoting and just adding words randomly.
@1WhiteWolfALPHA What you do not understand is what I am asking. How is market share going with this post? You brought up market share for what reason? Thats what you are not getting. I know what a market share is the problem is you are bringing it up for no reason as this post does not pertain to market share. @master2g was talking about what people want, in a short amount of time, compared to the reality of things. You are the one that decided to bring up market share when one, it has nothing to do with the post and two, no consumer is concerned about the market share side of a given market. No consumer is basing their purchase off the market share of video games. We were not talking about the economic side of things so the one making no sense here is you. What are you not getting from that? This post has nothing to do with the economic side of video games. I know what a consumer is and I know what market share is, it just does not support THIS thread post at all. These people are not supporting a game over things that were never confirmed in the first place. Free roam and steering wheel support was never confirmed THAT is what most people are mad about. I am sorry but those two things do not hold grounds for a boycott of a company. Bring something that goes a long with this thread and not the economic side of it as it does not hold ground in this thread. Also, why are you calling it my company as in it belongs to me which it doesn't. You are talking about something completely irrelevant to this thread here. What you are failing to comprehend here is that people are DEMANDING things and then kicking and screaming until it gets done, thats the entitlement I am talking about that you can not seem to get.
- Your applying same circular reasoning. I just told you go to the pages before, and qoute me properly or at last read what I said.
Again what people want is the consumer demand, if you can't meet it that is your problem, is not part of reality is part of your reality your team (inability from not having people) and inflexibility due to meeting EA demands rather than customers, and as I said your cherry picking out of many complains.
Guy, again consumers compare games with each other read what market share means. If as example is FIFA with pro evolution football before they buying. If they see another game has better features they will buy what they think gives better value for money. The same concept will apply here if you can't be competitive and meet your consumers base demands some one else will at your expense is how the world works and that's reality. @1WhiteWolfALPHA I should not have to quote you since your whole argument is about the market share which is what he was not referring to in the first place! You keep arguing about the market share and that is not what this thread is about. I do not know why you brought it up in the first place. Sure, the consumer shows trends when they buy a certain item or in this instance, game but that had nothing to do with the main post here. You, again, brought up the argument of market share and competition for no reason. This game added things that are not in other games. Headlight tints, tail light tints, LED tail lights, the new super builds, air ride, NOS colors, tire smoke etc. Those are a few examples of things that other racing games do not have. Those are things that set this game apart from other racing games.
- Well if you take your time to qoute me properly and read slowly instead of repeating the same thing all over again, you'll see that my reply had to do with customer base rather than "market share" so nice logical fallacy from repetition.
I even explained what market share is and how consumers fit into it. @1WhiteWolfALPHA I did look back and read, you did not say market share specifically, that it is my fault, made my self look like an idiot.I apologize. Oh well, damage is done there. I still do not see how any of this held any relevance to the thread. The main point of the thread was to stop throwing tantrums and post threads dogging out the game and how about just start giving constructive criticism on issues. Demanding and throwing tantrums is not going to get the point across.
My post has nothing to do with your economics debate. Your debate is entirely 180 of what Im saying. Since you seem very intent in talking "investment" and " market shares " and such I will simply say that you, me and all who bought this game and every other EA game did so knowing full well their current track record with games. Investing in a company that has repeatedly pull the same stunt over and over on everyone is on us the " once again buyer "not them. If i sink money into a company that has never given return on my investment 10 times plus who,s fault do you think it is at that point ? So it comes down to the buyer in the end. You cant put your effort into some one who has let you down multiple times and still expect sympathy man , i mean hit your hand with a hammer once maybe twice I will feel sorry for you . If you don't learn to not do it and do it 20 time s more then you are one your own as I don't feel bad for you any more and you cant cry hardship ether.
My post is saying the same as @XGCSith is saying, to many here want what they want right this instant and don't even bother to read or check on the game progress else where . If it isn't posted on the front page in bright neon letters or stuck to their foreheads then they just go off on a rant yelling boycott or what ever suits them . Ghost has posted update progresses on the front page clearly stating what they have done in the first patch and whats coming down the pipe line. As well as @XGCSith said like 20 times here and else where that they have stated they are listening and they are working on it. Cant work on a game if you are on here answering every last complaint that pops up and do a count that would be a full time job for someone ! . The game has only been out for month now and we have one patch already and more is coming but as per usual some want everything now and never bother to get their info straight and correct before they go off on a rant.
Funny thing is is I never see anyone on here with enough programing skills or experience in related field stating in clear fact how it can be done in such a fast time as per every ones demands. Can you offer up a quick reliable fix ? can I ? can any one ? No , so how do we back up the demands that yell " What taking so long ? " "this is BS it should be fixed by now" " we want 20 more cars right now " " Where steering wheel support? " and on and on. I agree with some of these things its only the execution of the request and the " give it to me now " mentality that's getting old on here.
We can alter my original point all day long and make it what ever anyone wants but the simple fact is that its about self entitlement and narrow minded demands instead of fact based constructive criticism that comes from those who think their opinions and thoughts are hard fact and proper reality which they are not 9 times out of ten. Its like working hard on something big for less then a month from start and already you have that annoying person behind you going " Is it done ?, how about now ?, now ?...ok now ?...whats taking so long ..now ?" all the while not offering anything to help.
- Again boss let me explain foundamental thing you missing.
First of all this community is made from ea to have their customers express their concerns, technical problems and product feedback , so is exactly what is happening. So again stop repeating same logical fallacies over and over they are customer and their entitled to feedback and yes they can and will stop supporting the company, again is their money is their choice, you can't force people to support your company if your product does not appeal to the customers.
Second thing there are plenty of constructive criticism threads in forums which you fail to mention , and frankly the whole constructive criticism definition here is based on your own prespective and this is ultimately a logical fallacy not a general consensus.
Again it looks like trying to shut criticism with a lot of logical fallacies.
At mast look what I said to him, the response is there couple of post back. On the end of the day the forums is for customers feedback and that's what it is happening, the customer is expressing his opinion and feedback like it or not. - First of all what I said with what you talking about has no connection and I don't see any point but to respond to your unrelated quota if your company is in public you will have investors and they will invest and hold the company responsible that's how the world works if your company is public you cannot expect investors not to criticize your company. Welcome to modern world.
Lol do you even know what is shorting ? You think people hold all companies for life? Is called profesional research
How do you know if it has returned any investment or not are you a personal hedge founder a investment specialist? Don't make assumptions if you have no knowledge how markets works .
Regarding the rest that is not the concern of the customer, they paid you according to your calculation in your product and your priced accordingly. Your product is over priced vis-a- vis gaming market and is for a reason, so you expected to deliver.
Yeah boss thats between you and ea, if you decide to have two programmers in entire team, because your co partner company dosen't want to allocate to mutch founds for supporting and spends money in marketing and focuses in other games after release that's not the customer problem. Hire 10 people if you can't make it, none of my problems I paid for the price of your product according to your calculations , is your problem and ea how they deal not customer concerns.
If you can't make it in time and want the game released for quick profit don't expect customers to not complain.
If you can't patch what customer ask in regards bugs and annoyances , expect the obvious which is customers to complain, hire 10 people none is their problem. Welcome to modern world, you guys expect us to shell us the money for ridiculous over priced game but when it comes to delivering product service find all kind of justifications and even try to stop criticism .
Yeah buddy your priced at same price that many games who have multiplayer support and steering wheel and rest of features so the customer are expecting those features. If you can't deliver than lower your price or stop yapping.
We all support ghost games and hope you guys for the best and off ea parasitic and destructive hold, but this reality, can't expect paid customer to not show their feedback in forum dedicated to customers, get real and welcome to modern world. Is this your first EA game you ever bought ? I doubt it so don't play it like we are victims , we all know full well how it works with EA so if you bought it you cant cry about a broken game. How is there any debate to it. ??? Not one person here is going to say well this was a surprise . If its that big of deal to you then you should have waited NOT BOUGHT THE GAME and seen how the game stacked up after release. No one here was forced to buy the game including me . No one pointed a gun to your head and said " buy it or else!" . You got your money out and made a purchase under your own free will. Maybe next time stop and wait before you buy. We made the free decision to buy it , so now we make our points like adults, wokr with ghost and hope for the best or we shut up and stop wining like entitled 5 year olds.
As well , I am lost here, I mean really where are you going with this grand display of fancy words and economics, consumer debate stuff ? .You are stuck in a conversation that has nothing to do with what I have explained twice to you. See ! this is the mentality i am talking about. You and others are going to see it only in your point of view and perspective no matter what other say or prove clearly. Even when others say that's not what they or I,m saying you people still cling firmly to your illusion of what it is. I actually see some of your points but again its has NOTHING to do with what im saying in the first post. I really think you should start your own post with this "economics " thing your going on about.
Guys we need to stop fighting each other and realize our one common enemy. EA and Ghost.If i may edit that just a touch cause i agree with most of it my friend.
Guys we need to stop fighting each other and realize our one common goal , helping and getting EA and Ghost to fix some issues with the game.
- Dude really your logical fallacies are embarrassing and you sound that your comprehension capacity and conversations capabilities are that of a teenager.
First of all you where saying not to boycott them based on their historical business approach and we have to be patient with patches now you saying that take in consideration their history of patches before making a purchase. You are contradicting yourself . So which should we take in consideration first lol?
Now let me simplify it to you since you don't grasp it.
Second of all, did you miss that ea is a business and being a business is bound by the customer which is where revenue comes from customer buying their product and most of business today in order to have customers need customers service and product support. So welcome to modern world.
Yes I bought in own free will everyone buys a product on own free will what does that mean?
That business should not offer customers service or technical help lol, becuse you buying at free will and thus we should not give product feedback and ask for support.
Guess what everything is bought by free will, but being a business your bound by market rules by business metrics and norms and the most important thing of business is customer feedback which in the end of day makes or brakes your business so get e grip and stop spinning same childish bs of "entitlement" is embarrassing, or if you are that handicaped in how business work go learn what product support and customer service and customer feedback is.
Or go learn how ea was named worst company from customerist magazine twice in row and was forced to change having impacting its marketing image and ultimately revenue . Is called product and customer support and ,that's what patching it is part of.
So if EA pays ghost bills guess where EA revenue comes from and what it means for them and ultimately you as ghost company?
Grow up kid and have a look of how the world works and stop calling your customers "entitled" of customer and product service, becuse that's where your revenue comes from, if they chose to boycott they will lose a game out of many in the over saturated market with games , but you have lost revenue and ultimately will lose your check. there is a growing trend of big companies releasing unfinished content to make the published release date. EA is not alone in this, as Ubisoft (remember Assassin's Creed Unity?), Microsoft (Forza Horizon 3 and recently Forza Motorsport 7) and a few others are all doing it.
It seems that the companies are using the gaming community as open beta testers, so that they can list of all the complaints and problems and fix them as they're happening in the real world. As a business model this makes some sense, as who is better equipped than the people that love gaming? Of course they're not actually going to admit that's what's happening, because that would be financial suicide, but there does seem to be a pattern emerging now that internet connections are faster and it's getting harder to fit all of the data needed onto a single Blu-Ray disc. Forza 7 is actually 100Gb all told, and you get 50Gb on a single disc, go figure.
As consumers, we have a choice not to pre-order or purchase a game on release, and wait for the "unofficial open beta" to finish before the game is actually fixed to the point of being playable. The consumer does have some rights, and if they pre-order or purchase a game that isn't as advertised, they are entitled to a full refund. However, if after a week or so of playing it, you find that the feature hasn't appeared, and want your money back, you can't, because you've already been using it as it was intended.
So if a feature you wanted isn't in the game at launch, it's your choice whether to get a refund there and then, or carry on playing the game until the feature you want is released. Personally I'd rather a game was released as a finished article, but it seems that the gaming community are the ones getting the rough end of the stick. If I REALLY want a game, I'll happily participate in the "open beta" for a few months. If I can wait though, I'll tend to buy around 3 months after release, as by then it should be pretty much fixed.
TL:DR - You pay your money, you make your choice, you live with the consequences
TL:DR - You pay your money, you make your choice, you live with the consequences
Everything you said is valid but that line right there is worth 1000 points my friend. I cant see it any different, I know what EA,s track record is like. I read , watch and see the issue with the games they release regardless of the developer under them so at this point after a long time of repeat "offenses" even if i was living under a rock i know full dam well what to expect from them now. So if i go and buy a game from the person who have repeatably messed up my other game from them at what point do i deserve sympathy and the right to demand or complain ?. Its like taking that cheating girlfriend back a dozen times. Who in their right mind is going to fell sorry for me at that point. I mean on the 12th time its perfectly clear i have not and will not learn and will just keep making the same mistake over and over.
I hate that it has come to this because we all know damn well EA can make some really great stuff as even in payback there is stuff that is awesome and fun and shows there is really great work that can be done but the final over all game always fall short seemly because of time and support. Anyways I have made my point here enough so Im done here 🙂
So good points my friend well said.
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