Granted, my defending in these clips is atrocious. I'll concede that. However, just look at the ease in which the offensive player maintains control of the puck while literally going through defenders. Because we're still catering to HUT Bunnies and streamers who complain about "Skill Zoning" (I'd like to see what button these people push to control all 6 players at once) - we're left with A.I. defenders who just sit by while the puck carrier just goes through them.So this is fun. LT use MORE effective this year while defending using proper DSS and poke checks is LESS effective. All because HUT bunnies want to be able to dangle, snipe and celly while twitch streaming. Please, for the love of god, stop catering to these clowns.

@Greyinsi wrote:@KidShowtime1867Yup, sad. Bigger problem with LT pumping is that it messes totally already nerfed poke aiming. In 22 I was very successful stripping puck with stick lift from LT spammers. Now it’s 9/10 a penalty, even if you hear that “success” click sound.10000%%%%The stick lift in '22 was very effective for players like this who got too close to you. Now , like you said, it's a slash 90% of the time. Poke check has been nerfed when in tight.Stick Lift has been reduced to a penalty button.Poke check unrealistically slows down defenders to the point where the puck carrier and just skate by with zero skill/effort.Using DSS to limit passing lanes slows down defenders as well, further discouraging proper defending.As of now, defending is basically just letting forwards walk in to the zone and trying to time a body check - but any skilled player can see that coming. Defense has been completely nerfed.

EA clearly has zero clue what they are doing when it comes to making a rewarding and competitive game, it’s getting so annoying that all this game needs is a few tweaks and it will be very good, but they just don’t see it, or won’t make those changes.Poke checking is amazing with how it slows you down and makes you time your pokes, I’m all for having something like that to truly reward a skilled defender and make it noticeable when you have a guy that knows what they are doing. The problem is that you’re forced to time your pokes perfectly now, for a result that more often than not is punished by allowing your opponent to keep the puck, or pick it right back up instantly and continue to blow past the defender. If you’re going to make a punishment for poke checking at the wrong time, you better basically guarantee a reward when doing it right.Not only that, but tripping penalties are almost non existent. I think through like 20 games now I’ve seen maybe one tripping penalty? And as for myself I havent even taken one in a few situations where I know I should have. With how poke checking is currently though it doesn’t need anymore punishment, but again, penalties are a form of skill gap that need to be in the game. So IF pokechecking was working correctly, then penalties also need to be put up a little bit more for tripping. People can just clearly poke at your feet atm and get away with it.Its just getting to the point it’s hard to support and play this series, when you can see the mindset of EA being that auto animations, AI, and RNG, are all more of an impact than the humans using the controllers. Year after year their mindset gets worse on this as well

@KidShowtime1867 I definitely think the gamechanger program did more harm than good to the series overall. I honestly think the only way this game changes for the better is if EA actually balances the game based around the absolute top tier skilled players of the game. If it’s balanced at the absolute high end, it is balanced for everyone at that point and it truly will come down to skill gap at that point.Just bothers me that we are constantly asked for video proof and clips of game issues that literally can be noticed within 1-2 games of playing online, which tells me these devs don’t actually play the game, or if they do it’s at such a casual level that they are ignorant to it. I would absolutely love if a dev could watch my club play for a night and witness the absolute trash we go through and give actual explanations as to why the game is programmed this way, would love to hear the actual excuse they could come up with

@KlariskraysNHL wrote:And majority of us 6s players asked for more separation ability with less friction while skating with the puck to blow by defenders who aren't skill gapping properly. So your idea undermines it all.I think a majority of you 6's players who advocate for "less friction while skating with the puck" were sick of dealing with properly positioned d-men and are now happy that rather than play a proper gap, they need to anticipate a forward blowing by them for simply placing their stick in a passing lane. Nobody who plays hockey should be happy to see that.

@KidShowtime1867 Yup, sad. Bigger problem with LT pumping is that it messes totally already nerfed poke aiming. In 22 I was very successful stripping puck with stick lift from LT spammers. Now it’s 9/10 a penalty, even if you hear that “success” click sound.

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SnizzBarDizz2oh
New Veteran
3 years ago
@Deeboo_91 it’s just a slider. I don’t understand why we can’t have competitive and arcade online sliders
KlariskraysNHL
Hero
3 years ago
@SnizzBarDizz2oh Because they aren't about separating the playerbase. You accept what they give you. And what you consider arcade is their competitive. What some of you want isn't going to ever happen. You'd think after how many years you would pick up on that.

LT isn't really a problem. Pokechecks aren't a problem of being bad either. Stick Lifting is a penalty button this year unless in 100% perfect position. And hitting is toned down because people hated the Truculence people with high checking so they raised everyones balance to the 80's just making them bounce off most hits.
TITAN_NHL
3 years ago
EA clearly has zero clue what they are doing when it comes to making a rewarding and competitive game, it’s getting so annoying that all this game needs is a few tweaks and it will be very good, but they just don’t see it, or won’t make those changes.
Poke checking is amazing with how it slows you down and makes you time your pokes, I’m all for having something like that to truly reward a skilled defender and make it noticeable when you have a guy that knows what they are doing. The problem is that you’re forced to time your pokes perfectly now, for a result that more often than not is punished by allowing your opponent to keep the puck, or pick it right back up instantly and continue to blow past the defender. If you’re going to make a punishment for poke checking at the wrong time, you better basically guarantee a reward when doing it right.
Not only that, but tripping penalties are almost non existent. I think through like 20 games now I’ve seen maybe one tripping penalty? And as for myself I havent even taken one in a few situations where I know I should have. With how poke checking is currently though it doesn’t need anymore punishment, but again, penalties are a form of skill gap that need to be in the game. So IF pokechecking was working correctly, then penalties also need to be put up a little bit more for tripping. People can just clearly poke at your feet atm and get away with it.
Its just getting to the point it’s hard to support and play this series, when you can see the mindset of EA being that auto animations, AI, and RNG, are all more of an impact than the humans using the controllers. Year after year their mindset gets worse on this as well
KidShowtime1867
Hero
3 years ago
@TITAN_NHL wrote:
The problem is that you’re forced to time your pokes perfectly now, for a result that more often than not is punished by allowing your opponent to keep the puck, or pick it right back up instantly and continue to blow past the defender. If you’re going to make a punishment for poke checking at the wrong time, you better basically guarantee a reward when doing it right.
100% my friend.
I'm slowly coming around on defence. I'm not a huge fan of poke check slowing us down, but I'm also aware EA might not fix that. So I'm trying very hard to do like you said - try to get solid positioning and time a poke check.
But, like you said - the puck carrier can simply blow past you, retain or regain possession instantly and continue unimpeded to the goal.
You can no longer use DSS to force a puck carrier to either move in front of you, thus exposing a poke check opportunity, or force them to move wide while you maintain body position because the transition from DSS To forward skating has become far too slow - allowing forwards all kinds of time and space.
It's awful playing defence right now and I understand there might be some more nuance to learn on my part - but the speed penalty needs to be addressed ASAP, IMO.
HurricaneFza
3 years ago
@KidShowtime1867 I guess you could say I'm a HUT bunnie lol, I absolutely hate the LT abuse. EA turns the greatest team sport into a one man show. Who ever is better at constantly turning g will probaly win, it's gross. Every year they add something shiny and new(recycled) and nerf defense. Hopefully Microsoft approves my refund request.
dustyrytstyk
Seasoned Novice
3 years ago
@KlariskraysNHL If you can actually say LT isn’t really a problem with a straight face then that just boggles my mind.
Deeboo_91
3 years ago
@SnizzBarDizz2oh You know what the funny thing is, Snizz? There are actual arcade modes in EASHL. LOL. IMO, there should be two major modes. Ranked and unranked. Unranked gets you the full silly perks, etc. While ranked would be the sim slider cranked to maximum. No perks. Every class starts out with their unique default attributes and all players get the same amount of pool points to add to those attributes to fine tune the build.

Either way, none of what I'm saying makes any difference anyway until they figure out and fix what's under the hood of this game that's happening for years.
KlariskraysNHL
Hero
3 years ago
@dustyrytstyk You are right I can say that because it's been in the game for so long that I have come to terms they want it existing. When something doesn't change year after year it shows they are content with it. I gave up long ago asking for certain changes. The goal is obvious they want human highlight reels to showcase.

And NHL is far from a perfect game in my books. It's still just a solid 6 of 10 to me. I'm 95% a 6s player with 5% dabbling in HUT. I don't give feedback in HUT because that supposed to be super crazy. As for EASHL I'm not happy with how they "balance" builds. They decided to raise categories for everyone instead of raising their should be strengths and lowering their should be weaknesses. You can literally play as a dangler and intercept passes as great as everyone else.. I gave my feedback on that stuff already and if they care to use my info so be it. I no longer live for NHL and that is why I just accept stuff over the years.

@TITAN_NHL Yeah timing your pokes is essential now and they need to bump up that dislodge puck power. I don't care if someone is using something to hold onto pucks better it should only work on slight bumps and not pokes.
Limp_KidzKit
3 years ago
@KidShowtime1867 spot on dude...i know you get heatr a lot...your a big dss believer...cant beleive waht they did to it this year...along with the false advertising...yikes its bad.
GrundleDemon333
3 years ago
Sigh. What an embarrassment. Can we all just stop and think about what this game might be like if the dev team wasn’t so completely scared and captured by the twitch disney-on-ice kids. This just isn’t even close to serious.
As if maintaining puck possession and the LT ice-dancing wasn’t absurd enough in ‘22, they elected to turn that garbage into a dumpster fire??? The part that is mind numbing is that this is largely just tuners. They actually tune the game this way on purpose, as if there weren’t clear and obvious reasons that the play of real hockey games resembles nothing like this. Not only that, but they've doubled down on the twitcher fallacy that this reflects some kind of hockey “skill” and “elite” play.
Well, congrats to the 3 of you who wanted even more utter nonsense in your competitive online gameplay … this is the dev team for you!
Stop the nonsense. 2024.

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