Re: NHL 23 1.4 Patch Notes
Am I missing something here.. or are we no longer getting tuner updates?
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EA_AljoCommunity Manager
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
Am I missing something here.. or are we no longer getting tuner updates?
We don't really do tuner updates any longer. This mostly stopped with the last couple of games. We always received a large amount of feedback on the game being better during the beta. Because of that, we've been very hesitant to make tuner changes and will only do that for more critical issues.
@Caliboy6262_714 wrote:
@EA_Aljo so no fix for user teams not being assigned the 1-3-1 powerplay in franchise mode unless their coaching preference was balanced?
This was pointed out before the last patch, and you guys said you were able to replicate it. Was hoping this was something that was going to get fixed
It looks like this didn't make it in to the 1.4 patch. I don't have any details on if/when it'll be addressed.
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
Am I missing something here.. or are we no longer getting tuner updates?
We don't really do tuner updates any longer. This mostly stopped with the last couple of games. We always received a large amount of feedback on the game being better during the beta. Because of that, we've been very hesitant to make tuner changes and will only do that for more critical issues.
You understand how insanely messed up this is, right?
You used to receive feedback saying how the betas were great and would proceed to mess everything up a week later with the "revert" patch - We all band together this year saying how horrible the experience was, in both tests, and you're refusing to do anything?
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:Am I missing something here.. or are we no longer getting tuner updates?
We don't really do tuner updates any longer. This mostly stopped with the last couple of games. We always received a large amount of feedback on the game being better during the beta. Because of that, we've been very hesitant to make tuner changes and will only do that for more critical issues.
You understand how insanely messed up this is, right?
You used to receive feedback saying how the betas were great and would proceed to mess everything up a week later with the "revert" patch - We all band together this year saying how horrible the experience was, in both tests, and you're refusing to do anything?In my opinion, "the beta is great" crowd were simply experiencing the game with no META (at least as it pertains to online play in OVP, HUT and WoC). They glorified the "before the tuners" builds because it was during a time where nobody knew the META and everyone was playing hockey.
After a few weeks, the META makes itself known and then EA tries to combat the exploits buried within it. Upon doing so, they rile up the 'beta was better' crew who refuse to acknowledge their ignorance to what was changed and what wasn't.
I don't blame EA for foregoing tuner updates, although I am disappointed that the chances for gameplay changes are now limited to quarterly patches. I blame the trolls who amplified the "beta was better" nonsense. They just liked the lack of a META - as we all did - but tuner or no tuner, the META would reveal itself anyway and a skill gap will always exist between those who get it and those who don't.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:Am I missing something here.. or are we no longer getting tuner updates?
We don't really do tuner updates any longer. This mostly stopped with the last couple of games. We always received a large amount of feedback on the game being better during the beta. Because of that, we've been very hesitant to make tuner changes and will only do that for more critical issues.
You understand how insanely messed up this is, right?
You used to receive feedback saying how the betas were great and would proceed to mess everything up a week later with the "revert" patch - We all band together this year saying how horrible the experience was, in both tests, and you're refusing to do anything?In my opinion, "the beta is great" crowd were simply experiencing the game with no META (at least as it pertains to online play in OVP, HUT and WoC). They glorified the "before the tuners" builds because it was during a time where nobody knew the META and everyone was playing hockey.
After a few weeks, the META makes itself known and then EA tries to combat the exploits buried within it. Upon doing so, they rile up the 'beta was better' crew who refuse to acknowledge their ignorance to what was changed and what wasn't.
I don't blame EA for foregoing tuner updates, although I am disappointed that the chances for gameplay changes are now limited to quarterly patches. I blame the trolls who amplified the "beta was better" nonsense. They just liked the lack of a META - as we all did - but tuner or no tuner, the META would reveal itself anyway and a skill gap will always exist between those who get it and those who don't.
I played the beta and noticed allot of glaring similarities and bugs from 22, I also posted about it in the beta forums, but it seems it got overlooked... oh well. At least some of these issues seem to be getting addressed, let's hope it doesn't break the game (again 😅) lol
- EA_Aljo
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
Am I missing something here.. or are we no longer getting tuner updates?
We don't really do tuner updates any longer. This mostly stopped with the last couple of games. We always received a large amount of feedback on the game being better during the beta. Because of that, we've been very hesitant to make tuner changes and will only do that for more critical issues.
You understand how insanely messed up this is, right?
You used to receive feedback saying how the betas were great and would proceed to mess everything up a week later with the "revert" patch - We all band together this year saying how horrible the experience was, in both tests, and you're refusing to do anything?In my opinion, "the beta is great" crowd were simply experiencing the game with no META (at least as it pertains to online play in OVP, HUT and WoC). They glorified the "before the tuners" builds because it was during a time where nobody knew the META and everyone was playing hockey.
After a few weeks, the META makes itself known and then EA tries to combat the exploits buried within it. Upon doing so, they rile up the 'beta was better' crew who refuse to acknowledge their ignorance to what was changed and what wasn't.
I don't blame EA for foregoing tuner updates, although I am disappointed that the chances for gameplay changes are now limited to quarterly patches. I blame the trolls who amplified the "beta was better" nonsense. They just liked the lack of a META - as we all did - but tuner or no tuner, the META would reveal itself anyway and a skill gap will always exist between those who get it and those who don't.
I completely agree with you. It takes a bit for people to adapt to the changes in the new game. Then, as you mentioned, there's the meta that takes some time to become widely used. At that point, we get accusations that we destroyed the gameplay with tuners so, we have largely stopped making tuner updates. I think there was maybe one for 22?
@KidShowtime1867
People kept trying to force the previous META during the old betas and failed miserably - that's why they were so well perceived. Problem is, once they started to complain, EA would issue that week-in patch completely removing any/all changes. All this ever does is reinforce the need/want for a META.
They made 2 large changes this year: even worse goalies, and nerfing defense more by making them slow - Since they are no longer tuning anything, we're stuck with this garbage. You tend to play 6v6 with humans so it ultimately shouldn't effect you but this seriously impacts teams like mine. To just officially give up on making any updates now and in future titles is just weird.
What's the point in providing feedback if EA Sports isn't going to act on it? We need consistent testing and updates, not for the team to sit on their hands. It would have been a better strategy other years where tuners made it worse, but they picked the year a tuner was needed most haha@EA_Aljo Good, tuner updates usually do jack up the gameplay. And many people across many other forms of media where this game is discussed notice that. It might fix something for online play but for any offline modes (which are better) it changes things significantly. Better to fix bugs and add detail to the game then be constantly tooling with tuners trying to please everyone.
Question for you, all those teams RR jerseys were already added, any chance their regular threads were updated along with the updated RR jerseys? Still looking for those Kings home/away jerseys that were updated by the team in real life 3 years ago but never got updated in game. In another thread I was able to show that to you to be passed on to the devs. Thanks!
@EA_Aljo wow, crazy. One change to team strategies in like 20 something years, and now it can’t even be used in franchise.
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:@KidShowtime1867
People kept trying to force the previous META during the old betas and failed miserably - that's why they were so well perceived. Problem is, once they started to complain, EA would issue that week-in patch completely removing any/all changes. All this ever does is reinforce the need/want for a META.I agree that the beta builds were so well received for the point you mentioned: It was refreshing to see someone have their typical goals squashed by a new meta.
but from the ruins of an old meta rises a new one, and you'll see large swaths of players either conform to and succeed with the new meta, or they'll fall victim to not recognizing the nuanced changes within the META (by way of tuners) and then proceed to claim EA broke the game.
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
They made 2 large changes this year: even worse goalies, and nerfing defense more by making them slow - Since they are no longer tuning anything, we're stuck with this garbage. You tend to play 6v6 with humans so it ultimately shouldn't effect you but this seriously impacts teams like mine. To just officially give up on making any updates now and in future titles is just weird.I believe there definitely needs to be some changes to the A.I., specifically the 'muted' nature in which they defend. I understand the need for muted A.I. to prevent 'skill zoning', but there needs to be a threshold where the A.i. takes a passive approach only for so long.
I think those of us contributing to this thread here are making a good case for this to be addressed and from what I gather, changes would impact non 6v6 teams like yourself as well. I'm actually optimistic that the things we are bringing forth in these threads (The Bubble, A.I., Goalies) are getting looked at by those who need to see them. But yes, it's weird that tuners are a thing of the past now and with a patch just releasing tomorrow, we're probably another 2-3 months away from any possible changes being implemented.
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
What's the point in providing feedback if EA Sports isn't going to act on it? We need consistent testing and updates, not for the team to sit on their handsAlthough we're limited to seeing changes in patches, I think there's still reason to provide feedback for things that don't jive with the sport. There are countless scenarios that play out in this game It's hard to imagine that the development team or QA are going to see 100% of them. So it's still important to call things out when you see them.
@KidShowtime1867
There are issues spanning back a decade, I really wouldn't be that optimistic if I were you- EA_Aljo
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
What's the point in providing feedback if EA Sports isn't going to act on it? We need consistent testing and updates, not for the team to sit on their hands. It would have been a better strategy other years where tuners made it worse, but they picked the year a tuner was needed most haha
Feedback is implemented outside of tuner updates. Also, gameplay feedback is collected throughout the year and is used for modifying gameplay the next year.
Just because we're not currently doing tuner updates, it doesn't mean we never will again. Just like we stopped issuing tuners based on feedback that was received, it's possible they could return if we hear otherwise.
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:What's the point in providing feedback if EA Sports isn't going to act on it? We need consistent testing and updates, not for the team to sit on their hands. It would have been a better strategy other years where tuners made it worse, but they picked the year a tuner was needed most haha
Feedback is implemented outside of tuner updates. Also, gameplay feedback is collected throughout the year and is used for modifying gameplay the next year.
Just because we're not currently doing tuner updates, it doesn't mean we never will again. Just like we stopped issuing tuners based on feedback that was received, it's possible they could return if we hear otherwise.
- Full prensentation?
"You didn't like the gameplay changes we made years ago so we're not making any more post-release gameplay changes." Wow. I don't know how else to say it, but that's not the response of a professional software company. It's the response of a petulant child. It's the kind of thing my kids would say when I try to tell them they're doing something the wrong way and offer them suggestions on how to do it right. "You don't like they way I'm doing this? Fine! I won't do anything then!".
Forget about the fact that, as others have said here, much of the previous year's positive feedback from previous betas was mostly due to the 'newness' factor. This year in both the tech test feedback and post release there has been an overwhelming amount of problems brought up by the community with constructive criticism and video evidence to support the feedback. There are significant, fundamental problems with the way the game plays right now and we're basically being told to suck it up and buy next year's version in the hopes that maybe some of the problems will be addressed.
My club mates and I saw and reported most of the major problems with defense and goalies during the tech test. We bought the game under the assumption that the problems were so obvious and so bad that there was no way EA would release the final version in that state. Guess we're just a bunch of suckers.
@EA_Aljo wrote:@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:Am I missing something here.. or are we no longer getting tuner updates?
We don't really do tuner updates any longer. This mostly stopped with the last couple of games. We always received a large amount of feedback on the game being better during the beta. Because of that, we've been very hesitant to make tuner changes and will only do that for more critical issues.
You understand how insanely messed up this is, right?
You used to receive feedback saying how the betas were great and would proceed to mess everything up a week later with the "revert" patch - We all band together this year saying how horrible the experience was, in both tests, and you're refusing to do anything?In my opinion, "the beta is great" crowd were simply experiencing the game with no META (at least as it pertains to online play in OVP, HUT and WoC). They glorified the "before the tuners" builds because it was during a time where nobody knew the META and everyone was playing hockey.
After a few weeks, the META makes itself known and then EA tries to combat the exploits buried within it. Upon doing so, they rile up the 'beta was better' crew who refuse to acknowledge their ignorance to what was changed and what wasn't.
I don't blame EA for foregoing tuner updates, although I am disappointed that the chances for gameplay changes are now limited to quarterly patches. I blame the trolls who amplified the "beta was better" nonsense. They just liked the lack of a META - as we all did - but tuner or no tuner, the META would reveal itself anyway and a skill gap will always exist between those who get it and those who don't.
I completely agree with you. It takes a bit for people to adapt to the changes in the new game. Then, as you mentioned, there's the meta that takes some time to become widely used. At that point, we get accusations that we destroyed the gameplay with tuners so, we have largely stopped making tuner updates. I think there was maybe one for 22?
So basically, too bad if we're unhappy with the gameplay this year? Which....well, read the forums, reddit, FB, yt, Twitter....and you're going to stick with that strategy still? I mean...I don't even know what to say anymore. Everything you guys do is anti consumer, and seems to only further point out the glaring issues not only with the game but with how your bosses are running things. And worst of all, you charge 70 bucks for it every year but we still have bugs from 4 years ago.
To me, that's just blatant disrespect to your customers but, what does my opinion matter? There's some guy at EA seeing packs being sold and patting himself on the back thinking this game is in a good state. It's not. Hasn't been since NHL legacy edition tbh.
Something needs to change, and fast.
Couple years running and they're still mad over people saying the beta was better lmao. Refusing to fix your game when its this bad is ridiculous but not unexpected from this team.
@RSall14 wrote:Couple years running and they're still mad over people saying the beta was better lmao. Refusing to fix your game when its this bad is ridiculous but not unexpected from this team.
I've come to notice whatever we say or do, they'll use it as a reason to fix nothing with this series. They seem to twist everything against their customers. It's OUR whining that makes the game so bad on release. It's OUR complaining that makes them have bugs in the game 5 years in a row. They won't fix it post launch either because WE will complain. See how it sounds? They deflect blame to the customers.
- EA_Aljo
@PlayoffError wrote:
"You didn't like the gameplay changes we made years ago so we're not making any more post-release gameplay changes." Wow. I don't know how else to say it, but that's not the response of a professional software company. It's the response of a petulant child. It's the kind of thing my kids would say when I try to tell them they're doing something the wrong way and offer them suggestions on how to do it right. "You don't like they way I'm doing this? Fine! I won't do anything then!".
Forget about the fact that, as others have said here, much of the previous year's positive feedback from previous betas was mostly due to the 'newness' factor. This year in both the tech test feedback and post release there has been an overwhelming amount of problems brought up by the community with constructive criticism and video evidence to support the feedback. There are significant, fundamental problems with the way the game plays right now and we're basically being told to suck it up and buy next year's version in the hopes that maybe some of the problems will be addressed.
My club mates and I saw and reported most of the major problems with defense and goalies during the tech test. We bought the game under the assumption that the problems were so obvious and so bad that there was no way EA would release the final version in that state. Guess we're just a bunch of suckers.
The bolded part is really not what I said. We listened to the community. We would receive a huge amount of feedback every year saying not to make changes because the beta gameplay is great. It was a very big request. We listened and acted on it. Now, some of you want us to go back to making tuner changes after the beta. I'll pass on that feedback.
Also, keep in mind, tuners are specifically related to gameplay issues. Patches address bugs and add new content. This year, we've heard gameplay is in a good place for the most part. That also is why we haven't made any tuner changes. No, it's not perfect so please don't read into that saying we're 100% happy with the gameplay and nothing needs to be changed. Very often, fixing one issue can cause other, bigger issues so we sometimes have to keep a bug in the game until the next year when it can be properly addressed. This also obviously doesn't mean that every bug gets resolved the next year, but when one sticks around for a while, it's very possible that's the reason.
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@PlayoffError wrote:"You didn't like the gameplay changes we made years ago so we're not making any more post-release gameplay changes." Wow. I don't know how else to say it, but that's not the response of a professional software company. It's the response of a petulant child. It's the kind of thing my kids would say when I try to tell them they're doing something the wrong way and offer them suggestions on how to do it right. "You don't like they way I'm doing this? Fine! I won't do anything then!".
Forget about the fact that, as others have said here, much of the previous year's positive feedback from previous betas was mostly due to the 'newness' factor. This year in both the tech test feedback and post release there has been an overwhelming amount of problems brought up by the community with constructive criticism and video evidence to support the feedback. There are significant, fundamental problems with the way the game plays right now and we're basically being told to suck it up and buy next year's version in the hopes that maybe some of the problems will be addressed.
My club mates and I saw and reported most of the major problems with defense and goalies during the tech test. We bought the game under the assumption that the problems were so obvious and so bad that there was no way EA would release the final version in that state. Guess we're just a bunch of suckers.
The bolded part is really not what I said. We listened to the community. We would receive a huge amount of feedback every year saying not to make changes because the beta gameplay is great. It was a very big request. We listened and acted on it. Now, some of you want us to go back to making tuner changes after the beta. I'll pass on that feedback.
Also, keep in mind, tuners are specifically related to gameplay issues. Patches address bugs and add new content. This year, we've heard gameplay is in a good place for the most part. That also is why we haven't made any tuner changes. No, it's not perfect so please don't read into that saying we're 100% happy with the gameplay and nothing needs to be changed. Very often, fixing one issue can cause other, bigger issues so we sometimes have to keep a bug in the game until the next year when it can be properly addressed. This also obviously doesn't mean that every bug gets resolved the next year, but when one sticks around for a while, it's very possible that's the reason.
I'm sorry, WHERE did you hear gameplay is in a good place? Are you reading these boards? That just cements my theory that you only act on feedback from streamers etc who you can benefit from when they pull your new card and advertise how awesome he is in his stream. Gameplay is worse than it's been since nhl14.
- EA_Aljo
@Kmahrle83 wrote:
@RSall14 wrote:
Couple years running and they're still mad over people saying the beta was better lmao. Refusing to fix your game when its this bad is ridiculous but not unexpected from this team.
I've come to notice whatever we say or do, they'll use it as a reason to fix nothing with this series. They seem to twist everything against their customers. It's OUR whining that makes the game so bad on release. It's OUR complaining that makes them have bugs in the game 5 years in a row. They won't fix it post launch either because WE will complain. See how it sounds? They deflect blame to the customers.
No. This isn't what happens. We listen to feedback and act on a lot of it. There are changes made with every game because of community input. I was trying to give you some more details on our reasoning behind changes. The community here is very frequently asking for more transparency and I'm trying to do more of that for you all. We aren't against the community. We are here trying to work with you. We're trying to listen and participate in your conversations. This wouldn't be happening if we were trying to twist everything against you all. I wouldn't even be here if we didn't care about the feedback you all provide.
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@PlayoffError wrote:"You didn't like the gameplay changes we made years ago so we're not making any more post-release gameplay changes." Wow. I don't know how else to say it, but that's not the response of a professional software company. It's the response of a petulant child. It's the kind of thing my kids would say when I try to tell them they're doing something the wrong way and offer them suggestions on how to do it right. "You don't like they way I'm doing this? Fine! I won't do anything then!".
Forget about the fact that, as others have said here, much of the previous year's positive feedback from previous betas was mostly due to the 'newness' factor. This year in both the tech test feedback and post release there has been an overwhelming amount of problems brought up by the community with constructive criticism and video evidence to support the feedback. There are significant, fundamental problems with the way the game plays right now and we're basically being told to suck it up and buy next year's version in the hopes that maybe some of the problems will be addressed.
My club mates and I saw and reported most of the major problems with defense and goalies during the tech test. We bought the game under the assumption that the problems were so obvious and so bad that there was no way EA would release the final version in that state. Guess we're just a bunch of suckers.
The bolded part is really not what I said. We listened to the community. We would receive a huge amount of feedback every year saying not to make changes because the beta gameplay is great. It was a very big request. We listened and acted on it. Now, some of you want us to go back to making tuner changes after the beta. I'll pass on that feedback.
Also, keep in mind, tuners are specifically related to gameplay issues. Patches address bugs and add new content. This year, we've heard gameplay is in a good place for the most part. That also is why we haven't made any tuner changes. No, it's not perfect so please don't read into that saying we're 100% happy with the gameplay and nothing needs to be changed. Very often, fixing one issue can cause other, bigger issues so we sometimes have to keep a bug in the game until the next year when it can be properly addressed. This also obviously doesn't mean that every bug gets resolved the next year, but when one sticks around for a while, it's very possible that's the reason.
This is unacceptable. You are always vague about these things being fixed or not. Obviously on purpose so we'll just hope it is and buy the new game. Telling us you cannot fix something that's been in game for years is not acceptable from a consumer standpoint. So you're admitting to knowingly selling a broken product. Not you aljo. I get your role and I'm sorry you have to take the hit for the stupid decision your bosses have been making for years
@EA_Aljo wrote:
This year, we've heard gameplay is in a good place for the most part.Where and from who?
How can EA look at the videos posted here and elsewhere documenting the very serious issue with goalies, poke-checks/DSS and hitting and say "Yup, looks good! The community loves it!"?
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@Kmahrle83 wrote:
@RSall14 wrote:Couple years running and they're still mad over people saying the beta was better lmao. Refusing to fix your game when its this bad is ridiculous but not unexpected from this team.
I've come to notice whatever we say or do, they'll use it as a reason to fix nothing with this series. They seem to twist everything against their customers. It's OUR whining that makes the game so bad on release. It's OUR complaining that makes them have bugs in the game 5 years in a row. They won't fix it post launch either because WE will complain. See how it sounds? They deflect blame to the customers.
No. This isn't what happens. We listen to feedback and act on a lot of it. There are changes made with every game because of community input. I was trying to give you some more details on our reasoning behind changes. The community here is very frequently asking for more transparency and I'm trying to do more of that for you all. We aren't against the community. We are here trying to work with you. We're trying to listen and participate in your conversations. This wouldn't be happening if we were trying to twist everything against you all. I wouldn't even be here if we didn't care about the feedback you all provide.
I understand and appreciate your position but I've been playing ea hockey since the very first one and coming to these boards since they were made. We've heard the same corporate lines for years and nothing ever changes. You do hear our feedback and we appreciate all you do aljo, but the people calling the shots are * the bed so hard, that this franchise reeks.
May be time for me to hang up the virtual skates because this game went from an addiction darn near, to more frustration than anything which is only made worse by miniscule changes and fixes year to year. Thanks for your help aljo.
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@Kmahrle83 wrote:
@RSall14 wrote:Couple years running and they're still mad over people saying the beta was better lmao. Refusing to fix your game when its this bad is ridiculous but not unexpected from this team.
I've come to notice whatever we say or do, they'll use it as a reason to fix nothing with this series. They seem to twist everything against their customers. It's OUR whining that makes the game so bad on release. It's OUR complaining that makes them have bugs in the game 5 years in a row. They won't fix it post launch either because WE will complain. See how it sounds? They deflect blame to the customers.
No. This isn't what happens. We listen to feedback and act on a lot of it. There are changes made with every game because of community input. I was trying to give you some more details on our reasoning behind changes. The community here is very frequently asking for more transparency and I'm trying to do more of that for you all. We aren't against the community. We are here trying to work with you. We're trying to listen and participate in your conversations. This wouldn't be happening if we were trying to twist everything against you all. I wouldn't even be here if we didn't care about the feedback you all provide.
One last thing, actions speak louder than words and since littman left, your guys actions wouldn't be heard by someone with bionic ears. Your words though, loud and empty. Again not you aljo, but EA as a company selling a product.
@EA_Aljo wrote:No. This isn't what happens. We listen to feedback and act on a lot of it. There are changes made with every game because of community input. I was trying to give you some more details on our reasoning behind changes. The community here is very frequently asking for more transparency and I'm trying to do more of that for you all. We aren't against the community. We are here trying to work with you. We're trying to listen and participate in your conversations. This wouldn't be happening if we were trying to twist everything against you all. I wouldn't even be here if we didn't care about the feedback you all provide.
I'm sorry, but you ( not you Aljo, but the EA "you" ) have absolutely failed at making this community feel like it's being listened to. Gameplay bugs and exploitable mechanics are left in the game for years at a time. Problems are "passed along" with no further feedback on if they might be fixed or why they might not be. And we're basically forced to buy each year's release in the hopes that the problems that plagued the previous release might be fixed without adding even bigger problems on top of them.
This radio silence from the devs because EA is unwilling to moderate it's own forums has lead to a massive gulf between the community and the dev team to the point where there's little to no trust left. There are plenty of people here who provide good, respectful feedback with video evidence who would be able to have constructive conversations with the dev team if allowed.
