Hi, i have question, how its possible, that i am playing SB against 69 OVR team, with 65 OVR goalie and i have problem to score a goal, low rating goalies catching almost everything, also you are in full pressure and goalie doesnt haas stamina, he is still able jump like kangaroo and catch goals to empty net. Also how can 71 OVR player has same speed as my Mcdavid with full stamina. This problem is every year, but this year is extreme. Can you balance it as it should be ? Or how is possible that player with speed 76 is able overskate my McDavid, also goalies doing unrealistic saves. Otherwise i am playing Team of The Week and i have no problem win 9-0. So what i am doing wrong, can you someone explain it ?

I literally said I am sure the player attributes don’t change. They don’t have to. If the AI changes to a better strategy, or uses different parameters to determine successful actions leading to a lesser outcome for the human, the AI “improved.”Perhaps I am unfairly reading your “feel free to post a video” sentence in the wrong tone, but it sure “feels” petty. No need for that. My comment was clear and rational. If I stated something incorrectly, please quote it so that I can correct it and own the error.

@EA_Aljo Instead of constantly asking for videos why don't you play just a few games. It's like everybody that reports a problem on this forum is playing a different game than you. Anyway, every time someone sends a good video proof of the problem, the video is either removed or you blame it on the way the person is playing. Like there's only EA's way to play hockey. By the way I lost 3-2 against a 69 rated team last weekend at SB after winning 5-2 against a 85 rated team at Superstar (I've only lost 7 games so far at SB this year). My team is rated 84. I decided to replay the game at PRO level thinking that I would destroy the 69 rated team. I lost 1-0, I couldn't even score a goal against a guy that would never play in the NHL. I had one shot in the entire 3rd period against a bunch of junior players. What more do you need?

@EA_Aljo So far though, in the several years I've been asking for videos of faster skaters being beat by slower ones, nobody has been able to get that.If you play that much then you know it's true but that's fine, you can stick to your propaganda "EA and the FC, Madden and NHL teams remain committed to fair play". I can tell you what else is true. I played hundred of thousands of games over the years and player and team ratings doesn't matter when you play HUT. Yes, if you have a higher rated team it helps wining more games, otherwise people would stop buying packs, but that doesn't guarantee a win no matter how well you play. That's why I stopped playing online. I just been playing SB since NHL 22 and the fairness of the game have significantly decreased over the years and a lot of people just gave up on complaining and sending videos. That doesn't mean the problem is solved. When I read customer reviews on XBOX and PS5, I can see that I'm not the only one feeling that "EA and the FC, Madden and NHL teams remain committed to fair play" is a real joke.

@EA_Aljo The game is not deciding when you win and lose.I have many videos that prove otherwise but I'm not going to waste my time uploading them since I know it's a dead end. You guy's at EA are well aware of it. Gamers that play a lot (those who have no life and spend 3,000$ on their HUT teams) are the bread and butter of this game. And these guy's are getting better every year so EA has to make the game more difficult for them otherwise they will get bored and stop playing. So yes, they will lose against lower skilled players every now and then.Casual players, if they keep losing game after game they will stop playing and that's not good for EA so they need to win a few on a regular basis to keep interest.That's what I meant by saying players and team ratings don't matter. When you hit the post 3 times in the same period, when you get scored on a garbage goal with 15 sec left in the game, when the opposing goalie makes a grand larceny save at the end of the game to prevent you from tying the game or when your own players are getting in your shooting lane to prevent you from scoring, when your players are reacting late on every play, and those are just a few examples. Keep in mind that this is a game so everything is programmed. Unfortunately, this recipe killed the game play. Not only the game feels unfair but it feels like it's cheap programming.

I think there is no purpose for AI to change strategies or take more risks (adjust game play) except to challenge the player more. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that, but it is definitely “improvement”. Anybody who has played sports knows that changing focus or strategies while behind doesn’t make an athlete stronger or faster, but can still change the game completely. If the trailing team wins, that’s “improvement”. Nobody is anthropomorphizing AI game play. But, anything that makes it “feel” like the AI is trying harder is also going to feel like “improvement” to the human player. If you make Shaq angry and he starts dominating you under the bucket, he didn’t get taller. But he definitely got better. At your expense.

Unbalanced goalies and low OVR teams

22 Replies

EA_Aljo
Community Manager
2 years ago
@sirajs

Can you get me a video showing your McDavid being beat by lower rated players?

Thanks for the feedback on goalies.
sirajs
2 years ago
@EA_Aljo Sure, also i can post videos, how my goalie doesnt catch basic shot and enemy 71 goalie catch insane saves. I will do some records
6hpy2hzsfzas
2 years ago
@EA_Aljo
Instead of constantly asking for videos why don't you play just a few games. It's like everybody that reports a problem on this forum is playing a different game than you.
Anyway, every time someone sends a good video proof of the problem, the video is either removed or you blame it on the way the person is playing. Like there's only EA's way to play hockey.
By the way I lost 3-2 against a 69 rated team last weekend at SB after winning 5-2 against a 85 rated team at Superstar (I've only lost 7 games so far at SB this year). My team is rated 84. I decided to replay the game at PRO level thinking that I would destroy the 69 rated team. I lost 1-0, I couldn't even score a goal against a guy that would never play in the NHL. I had one shot in the entire 3rd period against a bunch of junior players. What more do you need?
EA_Aljo
Community Manager
2 years ago
@6hpy2hzsfzas

I play this game every day. I also send many videos over to the team for review. So far though, in the several years I've been asking for videos of faster skaters being beat by slower ones, nobody has been able to get that. None that showed this was actually happening at least. If it were as common as you say, we'd have received a very high amount of videos on this.

I'm not sure why you're struggling on Pro. Some video would help understand that. I know a large amount of the playerbase, including myself, plays on Superstar and is able to win against lower as well as higher rated teams.
6hpy2hzsfzas
2 years ago
@EA_Aljo So far though, in the several years I've been asking for videos of faster skaters being beat by slower ones, nobody has been able to get that.
If you play that much then you know it's true but that's fine, you can stick to your propaganda "EA and the FC, Madden and NHL teams remain committed to fair play".
I can tell you what else is true. I played hundred of thousands of games over the years and player and team ratings doesn't matter when you play HUT. Yes, if you have a higher rated team it helps wining more games, otherwise people would stop buying packs, but that doesn't guarantee a win no matter how well you play. That's why I stopped playing online. I just been playing SB since NHL 22 and the fairness of the game have significantly decreased over the years and a lot of people just gave up on complaining and sending videos. That doesn't mean the problem is solved.

When I read customer reviews on XBOX and PS5, I can see that I'm not the only one feeling that "EA and the FC, Madden and NHL teams remain committed to fair play" is a real joke.
EA_Aljo
Community Manager
2 years ago
@6hpy2hzsfzas

We'll have to agree to disagree then. The game is not deciding when you win and lose. If you ever happen to get video of slower skaters beating faster ones, let me know. So far, nobody has been able to prove it's real. Which makes sense because it's absolutely not.

It's odd that you say ratings don't matter, but then go on to say they do. Regardless, you're welcome to see how far a bronze team gets you. Of course, it's not impossible to win against higher rated teams for those that have a high personal skill.
6hpy2hzsfzas
2 years ago
@EA_Aljo The game is not deciding when you win and lose.
I have many videos that prove otherwise but I'm not going to waste my time uploading them since I know it's a dead end. You guy's at EA are well aware of it.
Gamers that play a lot (those who have no life and spend 3,000$ on their HUT teams) are the bread and butter of this game. And these guy's are getting better every year so EA has to make the game more difficult for them otherwise they will get bored and stop playing. So yes, they will lose against lower skilled players every now and then.
Casual players, if they keep losing game after game they will stop playing and that's not good for EA so they need to win a few on a regular basis to keep interest.
That's what I meant by saying players and team ratings don't matter. When you hit the post 3 times in the same period, when you get scored on a garbage goal with 15 sec left in the game, when the opposing goalie makes a grand larceny save at the end of the game to prevent you from tying the game or when your own players are getting in your shooting lane to prevent you from scoring, when your players are reacting late on every play, and those are just a few examples. Keep in mind that this is a game so everything is programmed.
Unfortunately, this recipe killed the game play. Not only the game feels unfair but it feels like it's cheap programming.
EA_Aljo
Community Manager
2 years ago
@6hpy2hzsfzas wrote:

@EA_Aljo The game is not deciding when you win and lose.

I have many videos that prove otherwise but I'm not going to waste my time uploading them since I know it's a dead end. You guy's at EA are well aware of it.

We're most definitely aware it's not real. This was even challenged in court and dismissed. If you have videos that you feel prove it though, you're welcome to show them.

@6hpy2hzsfzas wrote:

Gamers that play a lot (those who have no life and spend 3,000$ on their HUT teams) are the bread and butter of this game. And these guy's are getting better every year so EA has to make the game more difficult for them otherwise they will get bored and stop playing. So yes, they will lose against lower skilled players every now and then.

Casual players, if they keep losing game after game they will stop playing and that's not good for EA so they need to win a few on a regular basis to keep interest.

That's what I meant by saying players and team ratings don't matter. When you hit the post 3 times in the same period, when you get scored on a garbage goal with 15 sec left in the game, when the opposing goalie makes a grand larceny save at the end of the game to prevent you from tying the game or when your own players are getting in your shooting lane to prevent you from scoring, when your players are reacting late on every play, and those are just a few examples. Keep in mind that this is a game so everything is programmed.

Unfortunately, this recipe killed the game play. Not only the game feels unfair but it feels like it's cheap programming.

Again, we'll have to agree to disagree. You're certainly entitled to your opinions, but spending more time focusing on your own play instead of thinking the computer is deciding when you win and lose will probably result in more Ws.

At any rate, this conversation has gone in to ice tilt territory so I'm gonna have to shut it down. You're more than welcome to send any videos to me through private messages.
NewStart01
2 years ago
Is the DDA in effect for SB? It definitely seems to be in Moments.
Also, you (or another moderator) said recently that the computer AI improves quality of play at times. How is that any different?
The OP is responding to his own gut feeling, which attributes successes to personal qualities and failures to external conditions. Everyone does it. I certainly do. But, that doesn’t mean what he is saying is unfair. It just means he can’t explain it, and would like to be able to do so. Can anyone at EA?

At the end of the day, people can’t play like the computer can. Not literally, and not practically. The delayed response of avatars, which does not affect computer avatars, can feel very deliberate. Is it?
EA_Aljo
Community Manager
2 years ago
@NewStart01

I didn't say the AI improves. AI players will adjust their strategies. They also fight harder and take more risks when they're down. Their attributes and abilities do not change.