Full Pay to Win

Well, at least we moved on from it NOT being a P2W game, i believe we can now admit it is.. now we need to work on it being a problem.. let's get the fact that your answer for this is a strawman (stick skills/ strategies) and actually talk about the severity of the issue. To do that we need to decide the perspective of the issue. Do we want this game to focus on top players, bottom players, or all players? If we want this game to be inviting to all players why would we only take the perspective of top players, beyond that if these forums are a smaller sample of the community as you often cite, how do you know all top players have no issue with this? Do all top players report to you? Based on a typical bell curve we should probably assume most players are average.. if most of these players fall within a narrow skill gap how much of a difference can this build make? I have no answer for this, I have no stats or anything because there is no way to filter player stats by archetype, so all we are able to do is speculate. Because of this, you and Kid will no doubt come to the conclusion that there must be no issue because it can't be proven.. another fallacy fallacy but I digress. 

If we are able to discuss the actual implications of these builds, how much better (or not much better, if you ACTUALLY believe that) they are, how much better they will get.. that would be great! If we're just gonna keep copy/paste replying "top players" then I think it's a shame we don't have a community manager willing to speak to the customer base about the game in a more mature way. Saying it's not an issue because you have no issue is a problem. 

What if one isn’t a top player and wants to casually play to wind down after work or house chores? Are you saying they’re unable to compete? 

Anyone who has played (or even watched for that matter)any game at a high level knows at the top, skills become closer and closer until the slightest thing can make the difference. This is just like when you RUINED world championships by making the best players PAY YOU 100s IF NOT 1000s of DOLLARS simply to compete at the top level.

It's simply generational greed from a morally corrupt company. 

The dude is braindead not sure how he has a job doing this. Just saying people should still be able to win without using a p2w build, but not acknowledging the p2w bull**** of it is utter insanity. 

I agree. His response is straight up rude. I reported it.

Ya man geez!! Why can't you adapt to defeat the strategy of being able to shoot from anywhere and score with the Jean Spectre. You must not be a top player!!!

/s

Here's a thought. Maybe top players should be listened to. Instead of being told by mediocre moderator players that they are just wrong. 

Seriously what a **bleep** comment.

Enough Aljo. You were proven wrong in my thread. How rude for you to say "if you're a top player you shouldn't have a problem". Do you seriously not see anything wrong with that asinine comment?

Welcome to the club. I've played world of chel since 2009. This is finally it for me as well.

There are plenty of other reasons but the pay to win is a smack in the face and the last straw.

that’s your response? Lol The game is turning into full pay to win it’s actually pathetic 

Being a top player, you should know how to shut down these builds. My club is far from being "top players", but we have had little problem competing with teams using the pre-made builds. As with every other team, you need to be aware of their strategies and learn how to counter them.