More Issues With NHL
What are we at now, part 14? 15? I dunno. My team's interest (and hope) is at an all time low and that twinkle in our eye has dulled but I'll still continue to make these for the foreseeable future. ...
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What are we up to now, 7 videos and we haven't gotten to the Christmas sale yet. I gotta sort out and clean my media gallery so I guess I'll stop for a while after this next one.
EA_Aljo buddy, I'm not sure if anyone was specifically told not to engage or what but, if you don't mind, I would appreciate a small snippet of feedback for each clip here; I really hope there is a setting or something I'm missing to stop this from happening. Please keep in mind, these videos are being made after every play session, not cherrypicked from an ocean of footage spanning ages.
#1 - I guess the main clip got deleted in my gallery and it also affects SHAREFactory for some reason so I'll just quickly describe it.
I whipped a shot at their goalie (top perspective from the right side) and it went under his pads and banked off the boards near our drop-in defenseman to our goalie at less than 10mph, he proceeded to go deep into his net and make a desperation kick to the side. He then dove on the puck as I rushed back - I called for the puck but he refused to give it to me and nobody on the opposing team was a threat. Way too close for comfort for no reason.
#2 - Most times when I get smashed my player feels like he's injured for the rest of the play and the little pop up symbol doesn't show or something is just coded buggy so we have no choice but to get a quick whistle to fix it (this has been a thing for a few years now). I attempted to just dump the puck for an icing but it hit the goalie... and then the ref called icing anyway.
#3 - So I went zooming up to hit my own guy in hilarious fashion and/or smash their guy just because I could and he somehow takes out the both of us? This thread has a few similar clips and I know I posted this for a few years now with the team saying this was being looking into - Nothing is 100%, I know, but I just want to point out its still a thing.
Anyway, they go down and yes, our drop-in slid too far into our net but that didn't really affect the main issue here: the goalie. Yet another instance of them just not being able to handle slow/non-moving pucks at the line. This is so deflating because what can we honestly do at that point? Any attempt to poke or corral will just put it in anyway.
#4 - Another lazy post goal on the goalie.
#5 - Yet another example of goalies doing what they do best. This is an every game experience.
#6 - Drop-in was L2 speed boosting again - This was supposed to be fixed ages ago. Also, look at the goalie, AGAIN, crumble under the pressure of just existing. It doesn't matter if the score didn't matter and we were purposely trolling them - when it rains it POURS for teams with extreme bad luck like this and it really solidifies why people truly believe there is some sort of tilt going on.
#7 - Just thought it was funny, seems like every second year we are able to hit our own teammates. Truculence may have something to do with it but I can't say for certain.
#8 - Like, c'mon goalie. Slower shots should be pounced on, not nonchalantly kicked out to the opposing team. A powered slide, stacking the pads, a backflip, almost anything would have been a better option when the other team has the lane. I don't blame the drop in on this at all.
(Looks like I messed up with the numbers so this is #8 (2)) - Just look at this goofy gobbler... The gate, the overconfident strut as he makes his way to the net.. Not only does the goalie bite on nothing and lower his stance, he then just stands up without a care as the puck goes in. Listen, I just have to get used to the fact people are actually spending money on stuff like this and while I do find it funny, I just want you and the team to know that I was adamantly opposed these buy a builds in screen testing as it strays further from the kind of presentation I think the dedicated community and even the real NHL wants.
#9 - Slow clap for the AI being able to actually snag the puck I passed back this time but definitely not surprised by the horrible giveaway pass that give them the game winner in OT. I think I've provided enough evidence over the years that AI need a major adjustment to how they calculate passes. Just wait till you see the clip #12 that caused OT in the first place too...
#10 - I understand why it does this and yes, it's an eye roller of a small nitpick on my part, but it's still a weird immersion breaking thing that happens on the regular. Also, look at the seeming hard plastic towels the fans are holding in the background... I didn't care enough to take a screenshot of them specifically but hey, I figured I might as well mention it.
#11 - I have a two-way build with high defensive abilities and it's beyond frustrating the puck constantly just goes through me. Kid would be arguing I wasn't standing on the exact perfect pixel needed to initiate the block but man is it exhausting to play defense in this game. We are in desperate need of an overhaul to make defense not only better in general, but, well, funner. Skill issue and I suck, yes, but I don't believe for one second defense needs to play 100% perfect when the offense gets everything handed to em. Honestly, truly, what more can I do here in a twitchy back and forth, every game scenario type of way?
#12 - What kind of serendipitous BS is this? We call these suicide body check pickups "drop passes" and has been a staple set play of ours for years and out of nowhere the stick flies into me leading to a tying goal in the final minute? You can't tell me the hockey gods didn't wholeheartedly and with extremely malicious intent, do this at random? Yes, yes, tilt isn't real but wow man - what else am I to believe haha? Also, big thanks to the AI for zooming up and not defending and to our goalie for not goaltending.
#13 - We always joke "good thing noone is here to stop me" but honestly, we might as well have a 2v2 mode with how pointless these AI defenders can be. Skillzoning in HUT is a completely different beast compared to EASHL in my mind.
EA_Aljo
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Community Manager2 - Most times when I get smashed my player feels like he's injured for the rest of the play and the little pop up symbol doesn't show or something is just coded buggy so we have no choice but to get a quick whistle to fix it (this has been a thing for a few years now). I attempted to just dump the puck for an icing but it hit the goalie... and then the ref called icing anyway.
I'm not aware of any issues that make your player feel injured. I'd need video of the hit you think injured your player.
Clips 3 - 5, thanks for the feedback.
#6 - Drop-in was L2 speed boosting again - This was supposed to be fixed ages ago. Also, look at the goalie, AGAIN, crumble under the pressure of just existing. It doesn't matter if the score didn't matter and we were purposely trolling them - when it rains it POURS for teams with extreme bad luck like this and it really solidifies why people truly believe there is some sort of tilt going on.
There is no speed boost happening here.
Clips 7 - 10, thanks for the feedback.
#11 - I have a two-way build with high defensive abilities and it's beyond frustrating the puck constantly just goes through me. Kid would be arguing I wasn't standing on the exact perfect pixel needed to initiate the block but man is it exhausting to play defense in this game. We are in desperate need of an overhaul to make defense not only better in general, but, well, funner. Skill issue and I suck, yes, but I don't believe for one second defense needs to play 100% perfect when the offense gets everything handed to em. Honestly, truly, what more can I do here in a twitchy back and forth, every game scenario type of way?
There are plenty of times this is going to be blocked. Just like the real world, there are going to be times when a puck isn't blocked as it passes between their legs.
#12 - What kind of serendipitous BS is this? We call these suicide body check pickups "drop passes" and has been a staple set play of ours for years and out of nowhere the stick flies into me leading to a tying goal in the final minute? You can't tell me the hockey gods didn't wholeheartedly and with extremely malicious intent, do this at random? Yes, yes, tilt isn't real but wow man - what else am I to believe haha? Also, big thanks to the AI for zooming up and not defending and to our goalie for not goaltending.
It's an unfortunate play, but it's coincidental. Nothing is coded into the game to force your stick to be dropped in the path of a teammate.
Clip 13, AI players are basic 2 way builds. They don't have the additional speed needed to keep up with custom builds. My best suggestion is to play with more humans. You can always back out on games with AI players or play 6s where there's less open ice and fewer breakaways.
#2 - This can happen on literally any hit, even times where you just skate into someone (you know, like when you just accidentally bump into your bro, you touch lips, gotta quickly pretend it didn't happen and skate away hoping nobody saw). In general, however, the harder the hit= the more you notice it. Again, this only persists as long as the play so it's better to just dump it or intentionally go offside.
Just like an injury, you can lose a huge amount of speed but the one that bothers me is the apparent loss of motor function and controller input reaction. It literally feels like the north/east/south/west on your controller is spinning like a top in some cases. This has been a thing for a few years now but is more noticeable with Xfactors like truculence making it even easier to dish out devastating blows.
#6 I took a look at his stats in the loadout screen and he had 97 speed but I also have 95, possibly 96 speed with my Two-Way in addition to elite edges and haven't quite been able to zoom up the side like that. It's so rare for me to see it done now I just felt like pointing it out.
#11 - This clip is extra frustrating because defense is already at a natural disadvantage; NHL most certainly caters to the offensive side of things which is fine - Hey, whatever, people like offense, so sue them right? Just like normal shot/pass blocks and other plays in the defensive zone, I would like to at least see the animation of my guy reaching for the puck or putting in the extra effort to stop it from getting any closer.
Players are currently extra stiff and you can almost see the step by step "initiation" of moves; I would just like to see it become more fluid/realistic instead of just standing there watching.
#12 This goes hand in hand with clip 6 - I just want to showcase how when it rains it pours for teams when it comes to bad luck. I agree that ice tilt doesn't exist but that's only in the traditional sense of malicious intent/ done on purpose by the devs -- I truly believe somewhere in the code, activates a "this team is hot and this one is cold (in a general sense)" type of logic to the current game being played.
You can still win while cold but the amount of extra hoops to jump through is crazy. Stick randomly flying out into me on what is essentially a set play at the very end of a frustrating game and the Ai not being in a defensive spot despite strategies telling him to do so, and a goalie more than willing to react late on a simple play is frustrating. I've played enough now to tell very early on when the "game is out to get you", and it doesn't have to be deliberate.
#13- Basic Two-Ways are fine in 6's but not in 3's. From how poorly they play I'm pretty certain the Ai also follows 6v6 logic in 3's - it would explain the bad positioning and the phantom "coverage" they keep trying to enact.
I am a two-way build with 85 shot, 96ish speed, and high offensive and defensive awareness so I know their potential, it would just be nice for them to live up to it some times. Humans have had multiple boost/upgrades over the years and Ai has just stayed the same though (which in turn makes them worse and worse every year). They do not have any capabilities to compete at any sort of high level and that's bad in a game with so many heavily AI focused modes.
Playing 6's will just bog down the game further and is more boring and more frustrating because we would only be playing against other 2's or 3's. We can handle a team of 4 humans but 9 times out of 10 a full squad just don't care to play us - this increases wait time tremendously and will only be a band-aid for fundamental issues- EA_Aljo
Just like an injury, you can lose a huge amount of speed but the one that bothers me is the apparent loss of motor function and controller input reaction. It literally feels like the north/east/south/west on your controller is spinning like a top in some cases. This has been a thing for a few years now but is more noticeable with Xfactors like truculence making it even easier to dish out devastating blows.
I'll keep an eye out for other examples.
#11 - This clip is extra frustrating because defense is already at a natural disadvantage; NHL most certainly caters to the offensive side of things which is fine - Hey, whatever, people like offense, so sue them right? Just like normal shot/pass blocks and other plays in the defensive zone, I would like to at least see the animation of my guy reaching for the puck or putting in the extra effort to stop it from getting any closer.
Players are currently extra stiff and you can almost see the step by step "initiation" of moves; I would just like to see it become more fluid/realistic instead of just standing there watching.What is your shot blacking attribute at? It would be nice if there was an animation even when missing, but with how fast shots can be, it's not exactly unrealistic a puck would go through a player's legs without much of a reaction.
I truly believe somewhere in the code, activates a "this team is hot and this one is cold (in a general sense)" type of logic to the current game being played.
You can still win while cold but the amount of extra hoops to jump through is crazy. Stick randomly flying out into me on what is essentially a set play at the very end of a frustrating game and the Ai not being in a defensive spot despite strategies telling him to do so, and a goalie more than willing to react late on a simple play is frustrating. I've played enough now to tell very early on when the "game is out to get you", and it doesn't have to be deliberate.
This does not exist in any way whatsoever. The game is not out to get you. It makes no sense at all to have a mechanic like that in a game where individual and team skill decides the outcome.
I am a two-way build with 85 shot, 96ish speed, and high offensive and defensive awareness so I know their potential, it would just be nice for them to live up to it some times. Humans have had multiple boost/upgrades over the years and Ai has just stayed the same though (which in turn makes them worse and worse every year). They do not have any capabilities to compete at any sort of high level and that's bad in a game with so many heavily AI focused modes.
Thanks for the feedback.
Playing 6's will just bog down the game further and is more boring and more frustrating because we would only be playing against other 2's or 3's. We can handle a team of 4 humans but 9 times out of 10 a full squad just don't care to play us - this increases wait time tremendously and will only be a band-aid for fundamental issues
3s and 6s obviously play very differently. If the slower pace of 6s isn't your thing, all good. We want everyone to find a mode that suits their playstyle. The AI are going to be more exploitable without the extra players on the ice backing them up.
I sacrificed my shotblock for other stats but it's my understanding the stat only related to the dedicated shotblock (L1) button. It should affect the type of block used and how fast you get back up when hit. I currently find defensive awareness (mine is at least in the high 80's, possibly low 90's) to carry more weight in these situations.
If this increased my actual hitbox I would completely change how my build was made. New animations like squeezing the legs and angling my skates out would lean more towards awareness but I can see the dedicated shotblock stat taking from it slightly.
I don't think there is anything intentional about it but some games just feel stranger than others. You can play the same team twice in a row and they can be wildy different. I don't believe rank has anything to do with it, however, as, to me, rank is more indicative of playtime than skill (to a degree).
The biggest issue people bring up is the goalies - your bread and butter just has 0 effect for long stretches at a time and they become light out despite "perfect setup" scenarios. In a real world sense that is just random chance, but in a video game with atraight 1's and 0's you're left scratching your head. Again, I don't believe a tilt mechanic exists but its the shifting set of RNG, as if its in a string of blocks, just not aligning correctly for two different teams at once.
I don't necessarily mind being told not to trust the AI for anything, its just they actually can go from showing moments of true brilliance to outright sabotaging your team seemingly on purpose. I'd just like their awareness to get a boost.
In a perfect world 3's AI would apply dedicated 3v3 logic - In their current form it leads to heavy exploitation which hurts creativity in user builds (we have to create jack of all trades builds insteas of dedicated ones you'd find in 6's).
We all know the meta would be creating stay at home dedicated Defensive D goon builds so that won't work but I'd love to be able to create my own unique plays they can follow in the next engine update.
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