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TTZ_Dipsy's avatar
31 days ago

More Issues With NHL

What are we at now, part 14? 15? I dunno. My team's interest (and hope) is at an all time low and that twinkle in our eye has dulled but I'll still continue to make these for the foreseeable future. No edits or stickers or timestamps this time, nice and simple


#1 - Clip is specifically about the goalie - I don't care about missing a hit or the turkey defenseman doing what it does. Why do the goalies need to just lay there? If I was a professional I would be breaking my back trying to shift over for that puck. I don't like this goalie, I wish I could trade him or just throw him in a wood chipper. Please, EA, we need goalies with at least two brain cells to rub together and enough stamina to at least make it look like they are doing something.

#2 - Fantastically stupid pass as usual from the CPU.
"Erm well playing with all humans will fix this 🤓" Not the point here; that would just be a bandaid for the game like I've been saying for years. The engine and cpu players haven't been updated for over a decade now and they just keep making more and more braindead plays like this. They wait for the absolute last second to do something and it breaks the play and momentum.

#3 Now we got a lot of SSS tier defenseman on these forums who I know will have a lot to say about this goal but it still really rustles my Jimmies. Sure I could have perfectly poked him better but I cut off passing lanes, I kept him to the outside, he was at a terrible angle and IT STILL WENT IN and it. What more do you want me to do with my sniper that isn't min/maxed yet? Like, give me a break, man, ho-LEE! You can't rely on these goalies to do anything and the worst part about this is the AI goalies are still better than human goalies most of the time. 



#4 - This is what everyone is complaining about - literally useless AI defenders (and goalies). I had no energy and it's like they don't even exist. I know I said before I thought goalies were better at these sorts of cuts across but I must have had a lot of gin and Sanpellegrinos (seriously try the orange+pomegranate with Tanqueray and a little bit of soda water, yum) that day. Why is the team so adamant on not upgrading the AI? This is one of those issues that's been around for a decade plus too, no excuse for this. A 2v2 mode isn't the answer here but at least that would fix some matchmaking issues and visually trick our brains into setting up different plays.

#5 - I complained about me getting penalties for this in the past and even though I benefited from this here I'll say it again! That guy got the puck off me at first contact and shouldn't have been issued a penalty. He held the passblock button down  extra long sure, but it's not like it would have made a difference considering how long it takes to transition back -- I've brought this up with multiple EA people for years now too, just sayin'.

#6 - Sloppy play by the AI (surprise surprise) but no, obviously the issue in this clip is the insane interference at the boards. No penalty? We were laughing our butts off at the absurdity of it at the time but that was a complete joke and it's not funny now.

#7 - Clear pick/interference and, of course, no penalty... If someone wants to argue they didn't initiate a body check or whatever, their Truculence and my Warrior activated so either they did or there is a huge problem with how the game calculates collision - Either way it's messy.

#8 - Didn't see anyone call for it so I'd love to hear what Kid or Aljo have to say about this one. Even if someone did and it didn't show (which would just be another issue), the goalie should have never decided to do that anyway. It was funny at the time but this is no way I want to win games and i'm sure those guys were freaking out too. Playing G as a human is already a nightmare but thr AI hasn't had any meaningful changes in years and it really shows here. They've been "aware and investigating" this for ages and I know it'll continue to happen.

#9 - Yuh huh, the AI is totally working as intended 👌. Sigh, if they didn't have 0 stamina because of the awful pressure system they totally would have scored there. 

#10 - So then.. lol, so then, he actually makes a good play and snags the puck right? What does this buffoon do? Just skates forward and does NOTHING! I've brought this up years ago and you continue to do nothing to fix this.

#11 - I'm not gonna talk about how game breaking the x factors can be or the fact there are actually people out there buying players for an extra edge but just look at that play - what was the goalie doing and why did the AI decide to just blast it into the net? He's on my team not theirs :(



Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot all about the stupid white box in the bottom right corner that was there ALL GAME in clips 6-9 (heh nice). Why can I mute the in-game soundtrack but I still get notifications when it switches songs? Why can the box stay on my screen not allowing me to see strategies? Why has this been a known issue for more than 5 years?

Anyway, that's it for now, see ya.

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  • #1 - Youtube analytics make it seem like these clips aren't exactly being passed around the office (at least, not as much as I would hope). I added this exact kind of clip to my very first "Issues with NHL" video way back when and I'm pretty sure it's been included in just about every one since.

    #2 - I don't understand why my random grudge match Backhand Beauty ability activated there when I passed and didn't take a shot. Also, when I and several other members suggested a grudge match feature, it was meant to be for teams we played before and had an actual grudge with, not random teams.
    Also, if anyone knows me and my playstyle, or the game would take any instances of gameplay into consideration, I must have a crooked thumb or something because I can only manage a backhand by complete fluke - This is pretty much a useless ability for me to have.

    #3 - No energy but still manages to perfectly get a cheese rebound. Also, the goalie seemed to have it then just throws it to the side - they normally can't do much on a good day but goalies are especially weak on mid to lower height shots. I can't stand how much belly flopping they do this year since it takes ages for them to get back up and react to a follow up.

    #4 - Not only does he refuse to pass when his human overlord tells him to, he takes the most pathetic shot ever. They consistently lack care on plays like this it hurts my heart.

    #5 - Finally makes a good defensive play then just smashes into the boards for no reason - proceeds to make a horrendous pass. There is no logical reason he would throw it up like that. Regardless of my buddy pulling back or not, that would have gone to the opponent or been a suicide pass anyway along the left.

    #6 - Keep bringing it up but there is 0 awareness off faceoffs with the AI and of course he isn't going to do a dang thing about stopping the other player from rushing in on the goalie. Even at 99 speed we wouldn't be able to keep up on a play like this. Soooooreeee for thinking winning a faceoff should net us the puck.

    #7 - This is why we need to separate hitting and shooting. I know I've brought this up in years past. What's weird is that with so much interference this year, it's this that gets called... Even using a two way build here, my offensive awareness was plenty high enough to snag the puck, especially when I knew he was going to, and did, call for the pass.

    Series of random pics. First one is a guy absolutely crumpling from getting a glancing blow - This guy should be playing EA FC haha. He just immediately bounced right back up after his life ending contortion act too which left us scratching our heads.

    Don't care that it's just a visual bug - I absolutely HATE seeing MY logo on THEIR jersey. So disheartening to see the team unable/unwilling to fix this.

    There goes my jersey again turning black and getting a Ducks logo plastered in the middle. Also, the WORLD OF CHEL text in the background is so awkwardly placed - Like, seriously, why is it aligned like that? OF WORLD CHEL is eye catching in a bad way. One of those "I can't unsee it" type of things.


    I am not a HUT player so why am I getting bombarded with these pop ups all the time? Please give us the option to never show pop ups we don't want to see. Also, I've known people with Beats by Dre as well; they are terrible quality and I don't think you really want to be associated with that brand

    Cheloween promotion in November eh? Okiedokie artichokey 🙃

    Just a white box in place of a generic scoreboard looks tacky; Sorry I can't be mpre constructive than that. Also, this dang music pop up when I muted all of it AND it covers up important space on the bottom. When I get the visial bug in-game where the box just hangs there all game, it covers my strategies bar so I dunno what's what.

    So I get it, we all know what each category is supposed to be but I think you still need to give them proper titles, it just looks unprofessional otherwise. Also, I don't understand the reason why you chose which pictures you did - I see generic, heritage, retro, and maybe a bundle in there all at once?

    Here my entire jersey reverted back to default on another occasion. Yes it's just a visual bug (this time), but the devs have been (claiming they've been), trying to fix it for years





  • EA_Aljo's avatar
    EA_Aljo
    Icon for Community Manager rankCommunity Manager
    18 days ago

    Thanks for the clips. I'll pass them on.

  • And another one - Mostly about goalies this time 'round

    #1 - Goalie can't handle the squeaker again, surprise surprise. Desperation doesn't have to just mean insanely wild movement that covers every square inch of the net - Sometimes just solely focusing on the puck and nothing else is better,

    #2 - It's more about how he managed to save it rather than it actually working. No professional goalie, ever, should be trying to stack the pads vertically like that on a breakaway. At least dive out and take him out...

    #3 - I get one of us was close but why did he just slowly fall back like that and not even make any effort to save the following shot? I probably should have slowed the clip down but once this fully loads you can probably do it on youtube. Goals like these are total buzzkills. Just stay upright...

    #4 - Another one of those eye rollers - Just opens up so wide of course they are going to score. I understand I could have defended better but I'm not purposely trying to get scored on like our goalie.

    #5 - Yeah OK there, Luongo buddyguy. This is hockey, not swim class.

    #6 - Bit soooooo hard. Yeah I get it, this is a regular hockey deke and goal but this is so extremely consistent to pull off; they definitely need some tweaks to aggression and positioning.

    #7 - Clip speaks for itself

    #8 - AI actually makes a nice defensive play for once and then proceeds to make this pass. I keep telling you, the AI needs heavy awareness and pass logic buffs.

    You can be multiple strides ahead in the neutral zone and they wait till you're over the blue before passing, they never acknowledge a pincer play/cross pass, and for some reason heavily rely on going to the left (perspective) side of the ice where they turn their back and don't see an oncoming player which leads to (at best) a board pin.


    #9 - I absolutely hate the pressure system and how it kills your drains your stamina way too fast for no reason at all but what I think I hate even more is the fact this lame rebound goal can not only completely negate it, but is still so easy to do a decade later. Yes, yes, it's a regular hockey play, but it's the fact it is so easy and consistent to do that frustrates me to no end.

    #10 - Wanted to show the full clip because I got him good and just wanna rub salt in it but look at my goal - I am at a severe disadvantage with relative speed, angle, and telegraphing my shot but a good 90% of the time it's like the goalie isn't even there. You can tell from the heat map in the replay this is my bread and butter and for good reason. Yeah, I want wins as much as the next guy but it's pure cheese and definitely not an authentic hockey experience. Good for me scoring and all but I still yearn for a proper back and forth down the line.

    EA_Aljo​ I'm usually met with complete silence in these threads, can I please get some feedback here? I know there's a time/money/resource crunch every year but some of these issues honestly don't seem that hard to fix.

  • internetg611's avatar
    internetg611
    Rising Vanguard
    20 days ago

    You have given great examples and details here. Don't be surprised the mods ask you to check to see if you are on  wired connection or wifi because that makes the difference. Oh power cycle the router lol lol. The game is broken , they cant fix it because it takes time and resources they don't have or want to allocate.

    I would like ea to stop lag compensation that helps weaker teams .That is one of the real problems. It is bad enough playing your opponent, you should not be playing against the game as well

  • Gambetxcb's avatar
    Gambetxcb
    Seasoned Traveler
    20 days ago

    That empty net goal shot its just a disaster ☹️. I feel you on thous bad things this game gives us on #2 i agree some games you play stable good games/plays opponent just shots the shot from random places (usually not high risk) and goal 🤨. And you do everything and puck just wont go in. There is some balance woo-do going on. i agree Ai on defense is terrible. You ask for a puck/pass and he doesn't give the puck right away. But gives it few seconds later. When its already to late. And creates dangerous situations(in your defensive zone) 
      




  • #1 - Why give this voice line after 'Toronto' already made up their mind? The audio and text lines started to desync more when you introduced the first Live the Life BaP update, '21, '22?. By the way I totally took the goalie out a la HITZ style to get the goal when we needed it the most.

    #2 - Just look at the shots; it was one of THOSE games. We all know the kind: you do everything right and the hockey gods are just out to get ya. We fought tooth and nail for this win when we honestly shouldn't have needed to but of course the game needed to stick it to me one last time. It's funny (Ha Ha funny, like a clown), this time but imagine if my team was down a goal.

    #3 - Look at me just wreck these fools in the background haha - the power of Truculence, baby! It honestly needs a huge nerf, especially in 3v3 hockey. My buddy here doesn't have Warrior by the way - We need a better way of showing when a player benefits from a teammates ability

    #4 - I've been saying it ever since this logo was created - Call it a tradition at this point but I personally don't like what I'm seeing in that red circle. The line weight, the angle of the lines, the curve of the edges, the way those bars actually touch the EA SPORTS circle... 

    #5 - How the heck is that not a penalty!? It led to a very stinky goal so you can see why I'd be upset

    #6 - I got my revenge but c'mon now, I deserved a penalty.

    #7 -
    * Our first ever drop-in teammate
    * Immediately scores
    *Refuses to e[co]laborate further
    *leaves*
    Leads to....

    #8 - 2v3 and we managed to claw our way to OT and look what this awful ai did to screw us over and lead to them eventually scoring. This is not some one-off time situation; they do stuff like this all the time it's so frustrating.
    We could have had private matches/practices or used a discord to find new teammates but no, some users here wanted the team to dedicate resources to adding a matchmaking system that benefits trolling further. We wouldn't have played this team without a third man. Gave you and it a chance and look how it bit us; I can't in good faith/conscience now recommend people turn the drop-in setting on for faster games now.

    #9 - Why do you still allow teams to use white as their home jerseys? It's not some impossible task to differentiate teammates out there but every nano second counts out there. This should be one of those low hanging fruit type of QoL fixes to make

    #10 - I've been saying this since, I dunno, NHL 20 and of course it doesn't get fixed. The AI heavily favours going to the boards on the left and almost always gets sucked in to a pin. He can't even kick it out properly. I consistently show the same moves over and over but it's not like I can prove it's a set play but I do know they do it regardless of pressure and play settings.

  • Gambetxcb's avatar
    Gambetxcb
    Seasoned Traveler
    27 days ago

    I agree Ai is doing some weird stuff out there. Ai defense is just skating not defending. Ai Goalies are out off position/place. I had issue few times with goalie interference. Where my teams players was outside of goalies net zone. Just standing in front of goalie and goal didn't count. And few times opponents player was  in the goalies zone and was bothering goalie and it was a good goal. So there is a little issue. 

     

  • Ok so, player is allowed to cut me off and just destroy any semblance of speed I had, breaking my arm in the process; this isn't really the point of the clip tho - you're supposed to be looking at the goalie. Watch how extremely late he is to acknowledging the pass and then look at the insane instant animation he whips out.

    "Just play with a human goalie!", you cry out. No. Not only does playing as a goalie absolutely suck the wind out of mine and my friend's sails due do how awkward the controls are, that, again, would only be a band-aid for the much larger issue of brain dead AI as well at the unchecked meta exploiting your system.

    Second clip, next immediate play - You tell me what the flippity flip we're expected to do here? You just know if either of us were to poke it would go straight in lol - It's literally in the hockey God's hands at that point the goalie will cover or the ref just blows the play dead and it's been this way for, again, about a decade. You said you fixed this from happening multiple times now. Big shocker it's still a thing, I know, but c'mon now. We were having a pretty fun back and forth game until this point but the whole thing just soured and leaves a bad taste in your mouth. 

    You know how hard it is to convince your autistic friend to stop playing one of his staple games? I finally did i-- no, WE did it EA Sports - Dipsy and Atem can play some Split Fiction and BF6 together!
    I'm sorry if this sounds so salty but it gets to a point where it's hard to not take the game's negatives as personal when you have to keep fighting the same issues over and over to receive even a boilerplate response like 5% of the time.

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