Anyone else looking for a more realistic experience?

This game is an absolute disgrace.

The scoring is not remotely realistic. The ai is broken in exactly the same way Rory golf was broken. Its totally unresponsive to other scoring. Its scripted too.

The ai is designed in such a way to make winning as easy as possible. It can be improved on PC via mods but EA have stopped them working with their updates.

Ea never fix the ai in their games. They can fix it but won't.

The behavior of the AI is decades out of date. Its just so basic in every way.

The game will not be getting any better than it is now

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@Allan5858 wrote:
@drewgriffithsHaving played nearly every golf game since the commodore 64, I can, without reservation say, that both EA and 2k have produced the most advanced golf games. There is little to choose from both, but 2k swing mechanics are more difficult only because you only know that you have a bad swing plane after you strike the ball and the trajectory mechanics are not as realistic as EA, whereas in EA you can see your swing plane prior to committing a stroke. Would say for the gamer, 2k is ideal, but EA is more suited to the golfer. I refer to the different shots you can make with each club in EA, however, to make some of the shots like texas wedge, knockdown in 2k proves to be problematic. 2k golf relies on perfect swing to achieve the best out comes. Finally 2k has better hazard/rough percentages than EA.

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I have to respectfully disagree. I wouldn't say that 2K and EA have produced the most advanced golf games in the market, but the most available.

Neither is perfect, and in my opinion both still need some substantial work. I personally feel 2K plays a little more realistic but you have to buy into their swing mechanics.

To me 2K offers more realistic gameplay overall with it's swing mechanics and ball physics. I personally know right away if I mishit a shot and have a pretty good idea where it will end off the club face. With EA and the dispersion pattern I have no idea... I can feel I hit a good shot and it will be 10 yards into the rough. Or I know I have made a bad swing (confirmed in the swing meter), and it will go straight down the fairway. EA doesn't seem to reward good shots.

I agree 2K does not give you access to the number if shot types like EA... but then there is seldom any advantage in using what is available in EA. You can easily navigate the course with 6 of the 20 shot types (Drive, Approach, Finesse, Spinner, Flop, Pick). I'm going by memory so forgive me if I get some of them wrong. The flop and pick shots make getting up and down around the green a ridiculously simple process.

Lag putting is also ridiculously easy in EA, once you understand the slope meter.

Both games in my opinion suffer with the swing mechanics... where you can set your distance with the reticule. It is literally point and shoot... except with EA the result is so random there is no guarantee it will end up where you targeted your shot even if you made great execution. But in 2K favor they do let you disable the reticule allowing to make it a little more realistic... in my case in 2K I control distance with loft.

Distance should be controlled by loft, swing length and swing speed. It is simple physics... "time to complete the swing of the club x velocity (how fast the club is moving)"  plus factoring in the launch angle of the ball. 

Which is why I don't like 2K's concept of where every shot is pretty much a full shot. Patrial shots are near impossible... In 2K there is one swing speed, where in my real golf game I have multiples... a more nuanced one for pitching and chipping.... and my full swing.

EA have in my mind taken a better approach as they took a more neutral approach with a awing speed somewhere inbetween. 

As I said the ball physics are much better in 2K... it is important in 2K where your ball ends up. If you are above the green in the rough where it is sloping away from you. Stopping the ball will not be easy. In EA a flop shot will stick from anywhere. At least 2K will reduce the spin of a shot coming out of rough... this is not the case with EA.

I play 2K with all aids off except wind direction/meter and the green grid. The only thing showing on my screen is the hole information in the upper left corner and scorecard. I can easily shoot over par if I am not careful.

I try to do the same with EA but the game limits what can be disabled... I can honestly say I can only ever remember shooting over par once. On their SIM presets I usually average a round of -5. 

I have shot numerous rounds in EA in the 50's...  this has only happened to me 3 times in 2K over all the years I have played the game.

In the 3 months I have played EA, I have 6 hole in ones... and 2 double eagles. In the 9 years I played The Golf Club/2K PGA I had...

The Golf Club - 1 hole in one

The Golf Club 2 - nada

The Golf Club 2019 - 1 hole in one

2K21 - 2 hole in one and 1 double eagle

2K23 - 3 hole in one and 1 double eagle

Finally I agree about the rough, at least 2K has some. I don't think either company executed this facet of thr game very well. But it was shocking to me the lack of punishment in EA considering you can set multiple length of cut for the rough.

Sorry for the extended length of the post. To end... I like EA, but it is truly lacking. 2K for me provides a much better golfing experience... but currently I'm finding I am not playing either game. Both games have enough issues that neither holds my interest. I am no longer willing to buy into 2K's ridiculously fast swing speeds, and I am tired of shooting low scores in EA's Mario Golf game.

I'm just waiting and hoping either EA or 2K will make some changes to make their games play better. Or that a third-party comes along and wows me.

People are missing the point about this game and realism. It doesnt matter how many shot types you have etc. The visuals etc dont make the game realistic.

Its the gameplay that makes the game realistic.

This game has ridiculous AI. Its ported straight from Rory golf and got exactly the same problems that ruined that game.

The gameplay and AI determines realism.

I too have been playing since leaderboard days.

The finest use of AI in any golf game is in British open championship golf from 1998. That has AI and realism that blow any golf game made since out of the water.

That game was brutally difficult and flopped.

Todays gamers dont want realism. They want stunning visuals. They equate stunning visuals with a stunning game.

This golf game can never be anything other than total garbage as EA will never fix the AI. I remember exactly the same debates with Rory golf.

EA were flooded with demands for the AI to be repaired and the game to be made realistic. EA did absolutely nothing.

And that is what they will do here.

This game will never be made playable for those that want realism.

EA have even broken the mods that did make the ai better. Just as they do with fifa.

Forget the cosmetics. They do not make a game realistic.

If you want a realistic golf game then you wont find one at present. It is unlikely that we will ever see a realistic game again.

The majority do not want a realistic game. They just want fancy visuals and to win without trying and thinking.

Thats what they have.

I wont be playing this rubbish again. I wont be renewing my subscription.

@Choochoomama71I agree with you. The only thing I said was that the scores on the leadboard are not terrible.

I never play with the AI enabled, not sure why anyone would want to double the time to play a round of golf when the experience is not very realistic or competitive.

As you mentioned I believe a lot of the issue is how unrealistic the game plays. They made it accessible to the masses, but have not served the needs of who I believe would be their most important demographic. The people who actually play and have more than just a passing understanding of the game. And for those that don't play, this could have been used as a teaching experience as you mastered the game.

I think the rhetoric that was advertised was promising, it just feels like very little of it has been included in the game to this point.

I'm just hoping that at some point the game will represent what was promoted.

I would support adding a setting or difficulty level called British Open Championship Golf for gamers who want a challenge. To supplement for single player non-competitive modes, adding sliders would also make sense. I prefer them to be options because I would not want the British Open Difficulty imposed on amateur and less experienced players like me. I prefer to play the boring golf instead of curse at the TV screen playing this game more than watching the Bills lose to the Bengals. Different strokes for different folks. That’s why more options and choices make more sense.