More RNG?

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ah now you admit.  Thats what it always boils down to and I agree. Thats really why some of you keep calling for sim mode and pretending thats what most people want to play.  But even YOU would prefer to play online if it was fair and sporting.     Thats why I'm playing 2k23 now it has a rating  and ranking system with various tiers to keep matches competitive.  And it seems to be full of players at all skill levels.   I'm having a blast.   Feels like the very early days of ea's pga tour before it got completely pwned.

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No... it appears you seem to have an issue comprehending the english language. I meany meant exactly what I said.

The game plays like an arcade game... in SIM mode I will average better than -5 if my player has skill points and specs assigned. Even as poor as the game plays... without I am closer to even par.

There are a segment of us that would like something that feels like we are actually having a golf experience.

But... to address your other comment. YES, I think we would all like to feel we are competing on an even playing field.

My post was about my specific group and how one individual will take advantage of the situation. But only because EA fails to let you control the parameters of a Private Match.

This isn't an issue in 2K23 because there is a lot more granularity in the settings.

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They would be called a cheater of course if they always hit -10 consistently and winning tournaments with no competition as a hypothetical example because it simply would not feel human.  I myself would have to dumb down my character or stop playing the game because I would be embarrassed.     To be so consistently better than everyone else  would be like .001% of the population who go pro,   and to keep playing the game with no competition or players below their skill level is just not gratifying to a truly competitive player.   It would dull their skills and make them a worse player.   In real life they would garner a horrible reputation but wouldn't be able to remain anonymous or change face.  The anonymity in online gaming is why society is never going to respect e-sports in our life time.  There is no proof ever needed especially for those with good sports sense.      But that being said some measures could be put in place to help ensure more fair play and competitive matchups and thats what 2k23 has at least done and its why thats what everyone is playing.

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I have no problem with people consistently shooting -10 in every event. In fact if they can do it consistently, they are probably that good. In EA PGA Tour golf it is not hard to go low... I am sure everyone has shot sub 59.

My point was... when I lockdown the settings so the only difference is that there is now a swing meter and a grid on the green. He shoots 10 strokes worse. You would think he would play better with the additional aids. NOW THAT MAKES IT PRETTY OBVIOUS!

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@ELF014 wrote:

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@RichAC wrote:

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ah now you admit.  Thats what it always boils down to and I agree. Thats really why some of you keep calling for sim mode and pretending thats what most people want to play.  But even YOU would prefer to play online if it was fair and sporting.     Thats why I'm playing 2k23 now it has a rating  and ranking system with various tiers to keep matches competitive.  And it seems to be full of players at all skill levels.   I'm having a blast.   Feels like the very early days of ea's pga tour before it got completely pwned.

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No... it appears you seem to have an issue comprehending the english language. I meany meant exactly what I said.

The game plays like an arcade game... in SIM mode I will average better than -5 if my player has skill points and specs assigned. Even as poor as the game plays... without I am closer to even par.

There are a segment of us that would like something that feels like we are actually having a golf experience.

But... to address your other comment. YES, I think we would all like to feel we are competing on an even playing field.

My post was about my specific group and how one individual will take advantage of the situation. But only because EA fails to let you control the parameters of a Private Match.

This isn't an issue in 2K23 because there is a lot more granularity in the settings.

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They would be called a cheater of course if they always hit -10 consistently and winning tournaments with no competition as a hypothetical example because it simply would not feel human.  I myself would have to dumb down my character or stop playing the game because I would be embarrassed.     To be so consistently better than everyone else  would be like .001% of the population who go pro,   and to keep playing the game with no competition or players below their skill level is just not gratifying to a truly competitive player.   It would dull their skills and make them a worse player.   In real life they would garner a horrible reputation but wouldn't be able to remain anonymous or change face.  The anonymity in online gaming is why society is never going to respect e-sports in our life time.  There is no proof ever needed especially for those with good sports sense.      But that being said some measures could be put in place to help ensure more fair play and competitive matchups and thats what 2k23 has at least done and its why thats what everyone is playing.

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I have no problem with people consistently shooting -10 in every event. In fact if they can do it consistently, they are probably that good. In EA PGA Tour golf it is not hard to go low... I am sure everyone has shot sub 59.

My point was... when I lockdown the settings so the only difference is that there is now a swing meter and a grid on the green. He shoots 10 strokes worse. You would think he would play better with the additional aids. NOW THAT MAKES IT PRETTY OBVIOUS!

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as many have said,  and I feel the same.  I play worse when i go from tour to pro and have thea additional putting line aid.  I find it distracting.   So no, you're wrong.    And I don't believe you.  I think you have a huge problem with people shooting low scores because  people don't shoot such easy scores in real life.   Its why you want to keep making the game harder and harder.  You don't fool anyone bud.  You already admitted you don't want to play online cause you don't have any chance against anybody.  And that is simply how most people feel and I don't blame you.   The same people who are dominating this game now are the same who did 15 years ago.   But making the game more simlike is not going to change anything bud.   And even in real life nobody wants to go out golfing by themselves.    You have a couple people you play private matches with?  Good for you,  bu8t not everybody does so I think you are being selfish.   This is an e-sport and its all about how you compare to other players as the priority,  not how the game compares to real life,  which is an absurd never ending rabbit hole you want EA to go down.

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@RichAC wrote:

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as many have said,  and I feel the same.  I play worse when i go from tour to pro and have thea additional putting line aid.  I find it distracting.   So no, you're wrong.    And I don't believe you.  I think you have a huge problem with people shooting low scores because  people don't shoot such easy scores in real life.   Its why you want to keep making the game harder and harder.  You don't fool anyone bud.  You already admitted you don't want to play online cause you don't have any chance against anybody.  And that is simply how most people feel and I don't blame you.   The same people who are dominating this game now are the same who did 15 years ago.   But making the game more simlike is not going to change anything bud.   And even in real life nobody wants to go out golfing by themselves.    You have a couple people you play private matches with?  Good for you,  bu8t not everybody does so I think you are being selfish.   This is an e-sport and its all about how you compare to other players as the priority,  not how the game compares to real life,  which is an absurd never ending rabbit hole you want EA to go down.

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I don't know where you think I can't compete online? I was barely playing, but with my character fully spec'd up on one play through I would finish either in the first or second group of every tournament I played.

And BUD making the environment more sim like doesn't make the game more easy for any one group. We all play under the same conditions.

I also don't feel I am being selfish, I am advocating for a group of players that where some playing conditions were not included in this game. Where the promotional product implied it would be.

I have never asked to change the game for those that like it as it is... just to provide a platform for those that don't have a place to enjoy this game. 

As for your last statement regarding comparing your game to others... does it matter the playing field you are on, as long as everyone is on the same one? I think not.

This is my whole problem with how EA has their Private games designed... each player is in control of their own settings. UNLESS you use one of EA's presets which are not well configured.

And if you have no one to play with... maybe you should consider why that is. My problem is my group keeps growing, and I like playing in a 4-some where we can chat and give each other a hard time when we play.

I'm also getting tired of feeding a troll who can't stay on point and posts false narratives.

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@ELF014 wrote:

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@RichAC wrote:

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as many have said,  and I feel the same.  I play worse when i go from tour to pro and have thea additional putting line aid.  I find it distracting.   So no, you're wrong.    And I don't believe you.  I think you have a huge problem with people shooting low scores because  people don't shoot such easy scores in real life.   Its why you want to keep making the game harder and harder.  You don't fool anyone bud.  You already admitted you don't want to play online cause you don't have any chance against anybody.  And that is simply how most people feel and I don't blame you.   The same people who are dominating this game now are the same who did 15 years ago.   But making the game more simlike is not going to change anything bud.   And even in real life nobody wants to go out golfing by themselves.    You have a couple people you play private matches with?  Good for you,  bu8t not everybody does so I think you are being selfish.   This is an e-sport and its all about how you compare to other players as the priority,  not how the game compares to real life,  which is an absurd never ending rabbit hole you want EA to go down.

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I don't know where you think I can't compete online? I was barely playing, but with my character fully spec'd up on one play through I would finish either in the first or second group of every tournament I played.

And BUD making the environment more sim like doesn't make the game more easy for any one group. We all play under the same conditions.

I also don't feel I am being selfish, I am advocating for a group of players that where some playing conditions were not included in this game. Where the promotional product implied it would be.

I have never asked to change the game for those that like it as it is... just to provide a platform for those that don't have a place to enjoy this game. 

As for your last statement regarding comparing your game to others... does it matter the playing field you are on, as long as everyone is on the same one? I think not.

This is my whole problem with how EA has their Private games designed... each player is in control of their own settings. UNLESS you use one of EA's presets which are not well configured.

And if you have no one to play with... maybe you should consider why that is. My problem is my group keeps growing, and I like playing in a 4-some where we can chat and give each other a hard time when we play.

I'm also getting tired of feeding a troll who can't stay on point and posts false narratives.

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very very interesting.  In another thread of people complaining about cheaters online,  you said thats why you only play private matches with friends.   But if you claim to be dominating online tournaments or match play,  well lets just say i'm not surprised.

And BUD,  that is my point.   Making the game more sim like won't change the fact a couple dozen players can ragequit the entire player base.   It won't even change their arcade like scores you hate so muchl.   I simply want to treat this game like an e-sport like 2k23 does.   But guys like you don't,  and you have EA's ear,  imo because they know catering to you will help kill it off.  

The reason I have noone to play with,  is because firstly i play on the pc and EA has no CROSSPLAY.  one of things you have vehmently argued against on the forums for very strange mysterious reasons.   I'm noticing i'm one of the few even playing on pc in 2k23 but at least they have cross play so I have no shortage of people to play with.   Secondly,  the rreason why noone plays on the pc,  and why most of my friends and family don't even play consoles games online anymore,  is because there is so many cheaters and trolls that there is no point.  So its kind of ironic you claim to be feeding  a troll When I consider all your contradictive posts trolling EA to either push more people to 2k23 or because you just want the game to die out of spite.  I can't figure out which.

And I just have to say again,   to disregard people who don't have anyone to play in private matches with like you do,  is so selfish its utterly disgusting to me.  And EA catering to you people,  means they are getting what they deserve.   I think in the near future we will hear about EA sports filing for bankruptcy.  I still believe when they take the pc servers offline they owe some of us some money back.

Let's address all your accusations.

very very interesting.  In another thread of people complaining about cheaters online,  you said thats why you only play private matches with friends. 

No... I said I play with someone in my Private Group that would take advantage of the system if given the opportunity too. And I have said that there are people that will always look for every opportunity to get a leg up... however they can. I understand thst in life people will cheat.. so either you accept it or not. Am I happy about it... not really. But we we all decide what is acceptable to us. In my case I just create preset rooms now in EA. In 2K I can setup the room the way I want.

But if you claim to be dominating online tournaments or match play,  well lets just say i'm not surprised.

I didn't say I dominated anything. I said when I was playing tournaments for VC early in the games realease with a fully spec'd player I pretty much finished in the first 2 groups. With only one play through. Hardly a great achievement. 

Making the game more sim like won't change the fact a couple dozen players can ragequit the entire player base.   It won't even change their arcade like scores you hate so muchl. 

Rage quitting has nothing to do with the conditions of gameplay... it is because the people playing have poor sportsmanship... and feel winning is an entitlement. And giving the game a selection to enable a more SIM environment would absolutely lower scores, compared to an arcade experience.

I could care less how people score. 

I simply want to treat this game like an e-sport like 2k23 does.   But guys like you don't,  and you have EA's ear,  imo because they know catering to you will help kill it off.  

If I had EA's ear I would be able to disable the aiming reticule, turn off all the windows in the screen and have an option to speed up the greens substantially.

I even argued I didn't see the point of 60 fps for a golf game. Okay I did ask for turned base play.... but I expected it to be implemented across the whole game. 

The reason I have noone to play with,  is because firstly i play on the pc and EA has no CROSSPLAY.  one of things you have vehmently argued against on the forums for very strange mysterious reason

I would think there are at least 4 people playing still on PC. Finding a few new friends shouldn't be an issue if there are so few of you. You would think people would be looking for people to play with.

I have never said I was against crossplay. What I have said is I don't see it as a priority because, there are inherent advantages for different platforms that make the playing field uneven.

So its kind of ironic you claim to be feeding  a troll When I consider all your contradictive posts trolling EA to either push more people to 2k23 or because you just want the game to die out of spite.  I can't figure out which.

I have no idea what you are spurting on about. Most of my comments are followed with suggestions on how to resolve the issue I am disappointed with. Compared to some that just rant that something is broken.