Re: Will there be a EA PGA Tour 2025?

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@PalomaMarvel24 wrote:

@BlackCat09522I don’t judge a series with one disappointing iteration. I played the Tiger Woods series and EA Rory. The TW games were absolutely awesome and EA Rory was still enjoyable. The current game disappointed me with the RNG, putting physics, character creation and lack of options that were once in the TW series.

However, I believe in comebacks. Being a regular with the WWE 2K series, WWE 2K20 was probably one of the worst sports games I played due to so many bugs. By 2022 2K has cleaned up the bugs and built a far superior product with WWE 2K22. The series never looked back and got even better each year.

I believe EA PGA Tour can make the same comeback for the next iteration because they still have the intellectual property of the Tiger Woods series. In addition, a new 2025 iteration would give the devs more resources to clean up any old bugs and make overall game better compared to keeping it a live service. If EA can make the 2025 iteration like TW14 with the gameface and better graphics, I think more people will come back to play the game. I would even support an option to allow players to choose the following styles of gameplay like what they do in NHL series: 1) TW Gameplay, 2) Rory Gameplay and 3) EA PGA Tour Gameplay. This would be a good start to include people who likes this game and ones who likes the TW ganes.

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The interesting thing is that two of the main devs on this game left EA and joined up with 2K to work on their golf series...not sure what that would mean for any future iterations of EA golf, but it's not insignificant that one of the EA devs had been a part of the series since Tiger Woods 12.

To me, it looks like there will be no new golf game and that's why the 2 devs left.  EA declared this as a live service game and this is it.  I was hoping for something similar to the model of 2K with a release every 2 year. Sadly, this looks like the EA Rory model, and when there will be not enough money to be made...

This game was delayed by a full year and when it launched, yet still had game breaking bugs like green beads that moved in the wrong direction and presented incorrect pin distances. Almost a year later the game is still getting little quality of life fixes and bug fixes that really should've been there since the start. There's little significance to people changing jobs in this industry anyway, but it's hardly a great loss.

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@lolwhat1234 wrote:

This game was delayed by a full year and when it launched, yet still had game breaking bugs like green beads that moved in the wrong direction and presented incorrect pin distances. Almost a year later the game is still getting little quality of life fixes and bug fixes that really should've been there since the start. There's little significance to people changing jobs in this industry anyway, but it's hardly a great loss.

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I'd usually 100% agree with you, but per his LinkedIn, Justin Patel was an EA employee for almost 13 years, and worked on the last FIVE golf games from EA Sports. And he left EA just a month after EA Sports PGA Tour came out, and officially joined 2K/HB Studios just four months later.

The timing seems pretty interesting to me. The fact that he kept working with EA thru the last 3 Tiger Woods games (which are held in pretty high regards in most circles), thru Rory, and then still stuck around to see this most recent game to light (as a "Senior Game Designer/Design Lead for all in-game features") shows that he was a pretty loyal worker in an industry that doesn't seem to have much of that.

And now he works for the direct competition, joining them less than 6 months after the big return of EA golf on next-gen consoles. Maybe I am reading way too much into it, but leaving the company and high-tailing it to the competitor looks like he was trying to get off a potential sinking ship, knowing what the future of this game and the EA PGA series was gonna look like.

This is, of course, all speculation. But it just seems strange that someone who's been a part of EA golf for over a decade made such a quick change in jobs (joining the "other" golf game developer, at that) right after one of the most anticipated golf game releases ever.

So the product shipped, he's finished his job as designer on this game and with no new golf game to design (because they've not got a yearly release), he decides to leave for a promotion at another company instead of being put back on the Madden team. Seems like a win for him and just another day for any software company.

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@lolwhat1234 wrote:

This game was delayed by a full year and when it launched, yet still had game breaking bugs like green beads that moved in the wrong direction and presented incorrect pin distances.

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The game was not advertised for PC when it was first announced. It looks like they took one year so you can have the game on PC while not much else was done except for perhaps adding courses. One year delay for 40,000 sales is a total failure.

I'm not judging a series, I'm judging this game and it is a disgrace. It has been nothing but an exercise in how to waste time and money

It's a year old now. It was bad when it first came out, it's been actively made worse since. No doubt the update will have an addition to a menu somewhere and EA will think that will make everyone happy and forget the real issues with this train wreck.

It's going to be a fail as long as the tournament leaderboards are not fixed. Having users paying with tickets or coins to enter tournament just to see their scores erased is ridiculous.

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@Katybee_1313 wrote:

It's going to be a fail as long as the tournament leaderboards are not fixed. Having users paying with tickets or coins to enter tournament just to see their scores erased is ridiculous.

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Well said. This is one that needs to be fixed ASAP. The game is a pure fail for this part because there are no warnings or fail safe mechanisms to mention the tournament leaderboard scores and rewards system are broken. 

By the way, I lost track what update we are in. If I remember, I might give a nickname for the update when this bug occurred.

Aside of the bugs, specially the leaderboard issues, I think this is a fantastic game. Best PGA golf game of all time. It makes me feel like Tiger, Rory and grandpa Jack when they were all playing their best rolled into 1.  I even want to play some tournament Sim which is great. Thanks EA, outstanding work.   🙂

I've got a feeling the Karen he was talking about left months ago, playing PGA2k23 looking and feeling just about the same as the old TGC1 released in 2014. Not that there is anything wrong with that, everybody should play what they enjoy.

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@Katybee_1313 wrote:

I've got a feeling the Karen he was talking about left months ago, playing PGA2k23 looking and feeling just about the same as the old TGC1 released in 2014. Not that there is anything wrong with that, everybody should play what they enjoy.

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Possibility the same one that delivered the Notorious Update 3 at the doorstep. It would be bad if the next golf game either EA PGA Tour 25 or PGA Tour 2K25 becomes PGA Tour Fallout. That version would be abandoned less than a year.

@PalomaMarvel24That notorious update 3 was the beginning of the end for this game, it frustrated just about everybody and many left. That's why a company should never listen to golf simmers and their fantasy, that a good golf sim is when the ball go over the hole like the hole is not there.

@Katybee_1313  Totally agree. I think the notorious update 3 is the main reason the game ended up being abandoned. Changing the difficulty post launch resulted in making game very difficult for beginners like me. At the same time, the increase in difficulty was still too easy for the Simmers. This resulted in turning off both fan bases which began the vicious Rory cycle of abandonment.

Wait, it was actually somebody from here idea's to have all those weird cup physics where balls were going over the hole, and 5 to 7 lip outs a round? OMFG!!!

Michelle, that's right, we had names for it at the time. The manhole cover, save and a beauty were all ideas from Simmers here.  And EA gave them what they want, ruining the game for all others. And even after that, Simmers kept whining the game was too easy, they wanted sidewalk fast greens that after the ball went over the hole, it would continue downhill either to the sand trap or back halfway down the fairways because that's how it works in PGA 2K.

In addition to the Sidewalk fast greens, the Simmers also made requests to make the sand and rough so punishing where it would be almost impossible to get out of it. Imagine the sand and rough having glue. Luckily they didn’t get implemented. If these changes were made, the game would have been re-titled to fallout since everyone else would have fallen out and quit the game much earlier.

SMH, 2K23 is a complete joke. Sis was playing career mode in there, and she saved one of her shot.

She was hitting at a pin in the back left corner of an uphill green, the pin was barely on the green so close it was to the edge. Her ball landed like 10 feet below the hole, before so very painfully moving inch by inch to the bottom of that long green. She ended up with almost a 100 foot putt. It was moving so slow, it looked like it was not moving. It took so long, we could have changed to our bikinis, made a Pina Colada, enjoy it by the pool and the ball would still not have reached the bottom of the green when we would have come back.

She has never touched that game after that, and I knew I would never played that joke of a game even though I downloaded it for free as a PS game of the month.  Can't believe some over there wanted this kind of insanity in this game.

LMAO!  I can't stand that big mess at 2K either. A better option for you two would have been to just stay at the pool, enjoy the day and forget about their ridiculous sim game.

To their defense, they do have many easy options, courses for beginners and those wanting to have a relaxing time.

Sadly, the more developers add coding on a game, the more bugs are showing.

There was no chance EA could compete with 2K as long as 2K keep making their golf game available for the old generation consoles, even on an old engine with outdated graphics.

What is RNG?

@Moonie54, they're talking about Random Number Generation. It's that big circle you see when you're aiming your shot, and the ball could end up anywhere in the direction of that circle. EA had something similar in TW11, the more you add accuracy skill, the more the circle is shrinking and you hit them straight.

The issue with RNG in this game, there are some weird ball physics with your shot sometimes going against a cross wind.