Am i the only one who despises 8v8 gamemodes and maps?

I really dislike 8v8 and its maps as it feels very claustraphobic design wise, the fact that most of them are from the pve areas leading to a feeling of repetition, and even with the faster pace of sprinting it feels like games grind to a halt in some areas due to the lower amount of players for vanquishing, before bots I literally ran around the map looking for other players to fight in suburbination games.

On the subject of bots their ai here is really bad as I've seen them get stuck on cars and boxes and yet they keep shooting in one direction at their opponent when they detect someone.

The invisble barriers of where I can and can't climb up for a advantage higher than the ceiling of a one story house is very rampant and anything above that offers little advantage in combat and just opens you up to getting shot from multiple sides as i mentioned in a previous post about map verticality.

The gimmicks aren't really fun or anything to write home about besides oozevoir which isnt really a good map.

I really hope the design of these maps gets better down the line after the mediocrity that was oozevoir, but that probably won't happen with how much they want to cater to turf fans.

SundropDot
6 years ago
@stukapooka When I decide to play BFN, I typically don't play any game mode besides Turf. Turf gives me the most opportunity for XP, due to it lasting longer and having more people. However, I have played the other modes enough through weekly modes and the occasional Mixed Mode or TV game.
I think one weekly mode should be Team Vanquish but with 12v12. This would be an experiment, so Popcap and us can see if it is a good idea. It would be called Oops Too Many Players similar to the Battle Arena Team Vanquish mode we had once. They can also have a Mixed Mode version of this to test as well. I think this would be healthy to try before implementing.
In my opinion, the 8v8 maps are big enough to hold a 12v12. Some maps might not take to this too well, but it could actually force players into the parts of the map that are never or rarely used. Additionally, it would bring many players to this mode as it offers more people to get XP from and there is more chaos and havoc, possibly fixing a problem with dead lobbies and bot matches.

13 Replies

CharlesHlcBende
6 years ago
I have 2 reasons why I don't play Mix Mode or Team Vanquish.
1. 8v8. I prefer 12v12 than 8v8.
2. Team Vanquish and Vanquish Confirmed. My skill is so poor that my kill/death score may be under 1.0.
If Mix Mode doesn't include Vanquish Confirmed and becomes 12v12, I will like this mode (but not sure prefer than Turf Takeover).
stukapooka
Legend
6 years ago
@CharlesHlcBendel I really miss 12v12 in those gamemodes and I remember everyone throwing a fit over 8v8 turf saying it removed the charm and chaos, but what does that make the other modes then you crybabies? ( I remember the 10 chomper ambush squads in early gw1 vanquish maps and just watching the general chaos unfold in gw2 when explosions went off).

While sprinting was suppose to bring the series to a faster pace it overall feels like there is a slow grind instead (while playing gw1/2 vanquish maps did you ever feel like they would be better if you could sprint and team sizes were cut down a total of 8 players? Because I never did).
Fork_x_Spoon
6 years ago
I don't mind the fact that its 8v8 because the amount of players in a lobby shouldn't decide how much fun it'll be though I agree on the maps. Oozevoir is an annoying bouncy house, Rocky Flats' cheese is infected with bugs, Colossal Fossil is a death note to those in the middle of it, Daisy Drive is S M A L L, Z-Tech Factory's loading screen shows the part you can't access, Ruiny Ruins is a cat and mouse game, and Pressure Pier has bad spawns. Plus, all the problems from Turf Takeover echo here.
As for the game modes, they're alright. Team Vanquish is fun until you encounter sweats, Vanquish Confirmed is just Chompers v SB's, Suburbanation is "take A and B then spawn camp C", and by the time a Gnome Bomb match is finished Jesus will return to Earth, my dad's come back with milk, & I've found a girlfriend.
stukapooka
Legend
6 years ago
@Fork_x_Spoon Yeah it would probably be a lot more bearable if the map design wasn't so grating as I pointed out the problem with verticality a while ago and the fact that most of them are from pve areas with little gimmicks also that gnome bomb description has me dying as it just devolves into wait for overtime or just blow up one objective then camp yours for the whole round.
Shadowphinx101
6 years ago
@stukapooka Having it 8v8 definetly makes the game pace of the gamemodes apart from tt and BA slower. After going back to GW2, I realised how quickly TV matches used to finish in those games. But with some maps like Oozevoir, I doubt the 12v12 layout would work.
shurikeninja
6 years ago
@stukapooka At least the map traversal feels better than GW2. When playing as classes like Sunflower, it felt so long trying to get around. Idk I like the 8v8 maps and I don't play 12v12, it's not a good experience imo. Battle Arena is my main mode.
Pheesley
6 years ago
@stukapookai never liked 8v8 in the game. Maps felt a little too empty, and fights are generally too slow for 8v8. Fights are so chaotic and it takes so long to kill players that you pretty much always have to stick by your team to get a kill and survive, otherwise you'll most likely be teamed on. It would be nice if they brought 12 v 12 to these smaller maps.
As sidenote, the bouncing goo in oozevoir is awful to play against. Its not fun fighting players bouncing on the goo unless I'm playing a class that can deal higher damage. Trying to shoot a bouncing player with high ROF classes is painful. But at least the map looks nice
stukapooka
Legend
6 years ago
@Pheesley Completely agree, I shouldn't have to search for enemies to fight and after playing games like team fortress 2 or the garden warfare games it just feels bland when the the map isn't a chaotic mess of players everywhere killing each other in fast and ridiculous ways.
Conewhizz
New Vanguard
6 years ago
@stukapooka I would like all the current 8 v 8 gamemodes to be 12 v 12 myself, the problem I could see is some maps arent designed for 12 v 12. Oozevoir and Weirding Woods for example.
stukapooka
Legend
6 years ago
@Conewhizz Oozevoir is just the new timepark so you have a point there but yeah wouod overall prefer 12v12.