Frustrated Player...

I agree. And the worst part is turf war is the best game mode for plants right now. If you're going to play vanquish or gnome bomb, be ready to lose a large majority of the time.

The plants seem to have more defined character roles and as such they are less versatile than the zombies because everyone has a very niche job. Cactus is a sniper, chomper is an assassin/disrupter, sunflower is a healer but you look at the zombies and they're all over the place. Deadbeard is a sniper, but he also has a shotgun, massive aoe damage with barrel and cannon + safety with armor bonus from barrel. Scientist is a healer but can 2-3 shot you and has teleports?

Imp is too strong. In turf takeover it's not uncommon to see 4-5 imps. Why? Because all it takes is for a couple of them to time their mechs and easily cap a point. You can manage 1-2 decently well, but not a seemingly constant barrage of mechs every 10 seconds.

Super brainz has absolutely no drawback. 200 health, spin makes him practically unkillable for its duration, gap closer, high jump, strong melee AND ranged capabilities, and a nuke. I mean come on. Take his health down to 175 and nerf electro brainz damage and arc radius, that's a good start.

Deadbeard is everything. He's a sniper, he's a close range duelist, controls objectives well with cannon and barrel and has bonus survivbility in barrel as well. What exactly is his drawback? Well designed/balanced classes should have a niche. Jack of all trades is just never a good idea, ever.

Solider is fine. Clearly defined role.

Engineer is fine. Clearly defined role.

Scientist. It's gotten to the point where I don't even expect scientists to be healing their team anymore. They're mostly just running around the back side of the enemy team and clearing a few kills and teleporting away. Or waiting for people to come to objectives and 2-3 shotting them.

All-star. In turf takeover this class doesn't seem to be overwhelming to deal with but in every other game mode he just rolls over plants like its nothing. 175 health is a better place for this class and please fix the hit marker. Also imp punt could use some QoL improvements. It's super unreliable and inconsistent.

What about the plants?

Citron. In a world where imps run around without a care in the world, you would think one would see the rise or citron to deal with the mechs. But do you? No. You're lucky to have 1-2 of them on your team which is odd because they hard counter imp, are great at capturing objectives and can duel most anyone. He needs a slightly longer time before his attacks overheat but beyond that he's pretty solid. Performs a clear role of being a mobile tank and sacrifices damage for those perks.

Rose is okay but you're honesty better off playing any other plant. She can't duel ANYONE anymore. She's forced to play with another teammate or 2 and try to coordinate attacks but let's be real, most people aren't playing all that strategically and it's unfair to expect rose to hide behind teammates while she spits out spells and weak damage. She's supposed to be a support Mage but with 100 health, she just instantly dies to random aoes and the regular chaos of a battle. Give her 125 base health so she can play aggressively with her team.

Corn is probably the best plant right now. Borderline OP but you can't really complain when you see what plants are up against.

Pea shooter. Easily the second best plant and probably the best balanced class in the entire game.

Chomper. This class has always been eh, even in gw1. Sure he's fun and is great at causing chaos but beyond that he's really not all that useful. Especially if he's one of the few plants who is actually trying to get to the back line of the enemy, which he usually is. He chomps someone and he dies. He's best when you have some other chompers to help you. As for balance, a bit on the weak side since you're pretty much trading your life for someone else's.

Sunflower. This is what a healing class should look like. Unfortunately it's dwarfed by the scientist. It's very well balanced for a healing class and most importantly it encourages you to actually play as a healer, go figure. It has low to medium range damage, meant to compliment someone else's damage not kill. A good utility spell. A risky damaging cool down spell that basically trades utility and mobility for damage. Clear trade offs, clear niche, clear role, balanced.

Cactus. In a vacuum, this class is above average. Compared to her zombie counter part, not so much. It's a sniper, and as such has major drawbacks. Very low mobility meaning if you're caught out of position, you die. You have some ways to cover your back with potato mines and may get lucky a few times and get in some lucky no scopes up close to win a duel but compared to deadbeard, cactus is so outdated. Honestly this is more of an issue of deadbeard being out of line than it is cactus being bad. Cactus needs something to help her in gw2 so she can compete with the new overloaded characters. Exploding walnuts might be a useful ability to add, potato grenades would help her with objectives and dueling.

All in all, playing plants is always an uphill battle and it's much more important for the plants to have a balanced team composition than It is for the zombies due to previously discussed niche roles. Can plants win? Of course. Do zombies have a clear advantage? You bet.