Hi all,I've been playing PvZGW now since launch, and I'm pretty sure this has been brought up already, but I have a suggestion if anyone noteworthy is reading.Gardens and Graveyards is horribly unbalanced.Zombies are way overpowered and, subsequently, get many more coins. I've seen the argument that "Well the zombies work harder, capture more points, they deserve more coins!" which is correct to a degree. The question is, Why are zombies winning so much. I don't think the zombie team is overpowered as far as classes/abilities goes. I'm talking about their objective. It's much easier to zerg-rush the garden and suicide for 2-3 seconds of capture time than it is for the plants to prevent this.Simple way to fix this: allow plants to reclaim gardens when zombies aren't present, similar to how TF2 capture points work.At the moment, it's simply too hard when zombies can partially take over the garden and the plants have no way to reverse this.The only way plants can possibly stop this is to group up on the garden. But guess what? Cone strike! ZPG! Literally any AOE.I'm sure some people will disagree, but I've played many many Gardens and Graveyards, and it's starting to feel like a waste of time as Plants.Thanks for reading.

The coins per minute suffurs so much for plants in a long game. And if they win early the benefits are still stunted if you account loading screen time, which you absolutely should.

The developers reduced the time it takes for zombies to capture a garden, I'd be inclined to think that they believe the Zombies are the ones getting the short end of the stick. Plants do need to get more coins thoughl

I was also of a mind that Zombies are OP in G&G and then... well to be quite frank i stopped sucking as a plant lol. The more you play the game and start to learn how to play each class and their role in G&G the easier it is to stop the zombies. Now, with that having been said, the zombies DO have the luxury of being able to zerg without much thought... but that's the beauty of it... they are zombies! They are supposed to feel stupid and relentless, Popcap has done a PHENOMENAL job at conveying that sense and maintaining the original games feel in that regard.On the other hand, the plants have a closer spawn point to the garden, that might seem like it isn't much but it's VERY crucial, they don't have to worry about a teleporter or defending it. The zombies do! So it's like this my man, you need plants who know how to STAY in the garden and less peashooters camping on the rooftops. You also need a few cacti trolling the engineers with drone strikes and shooting down the engineers drones as well! That is one of the reasons Popcap made challenges a part of the leveling system! It's also there to teach you your class and your classes role in the game! Pay attention to it and you will do much better. There is zero need for a rebalance, but i do feel your pain when you get into a random room of plants that camp on rooftops and let the zombies zerg without much push back. I also think that plants need more coins, i seen someone say they don't because if they win quickly the coins per minute are good, whatever lol, they need more incentive to be played! Each garden should pay no less than 1k for defending it and the first garden should offer up a 10k bonus! That way, more players will be inclined to actually play the plants instead of mashing the change team buttons!

I think ideally you need 2-3 people attacking the teleporter constantly, and drone strikes from the cacti helping too. Then the other team members fighting very closely to the garden and maybe 1 team member sniping.But overall with any given two teams of equal skill, the zombies have the upper hand slightly I think, especially in terms of the coins per minute. You could say the plants should do better, but then they're only doing better because of the skill level. For two teams with equal skill the coins per minute should be the same, but it's in favour of the zombies. It seems for the plants to get their fair share of the coins you need a team whose skill is much higher than the zombies.I think the rate at which the zombies capture the garden should be reduced about 20%, or make it so the zombies need 2 more in the zone to start capturing. Or what could be done is the range at which the plants are considered in the garden could be higher than the zombies range - that way the plants don't have to be in such a tight area where they can just be killed too easily.Also, if there is 1 or more zombies in the garden, if you as a plant are in the garden you should get +20 coins per few seconds for defending it. That gives a bit more coin to the plant and deservedly I think.

Simple fix for this is to make potted plants actually useful. At least triple the health and triple the range. They get picked off from butt pirates 1000 ft away.

Gardens and Graveyards - Unbalanced

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xcrimsonlegendx
Seasoned Ace
12 years ago
As it's been said before, it's more than possible to win Wallbutt hillls as the plants and there doesn't need to be much if any balancing.
Not my best game but it proves the point, if the plants actually cooperate it's plenty fair as it is.
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Anonymous
12 years ago
Even if you do stop them 5 out of 7 gardens, you still get wayyy less coins, which I think is the issue. Because once you play more as plants, you'll be able to learn what's the best vantage points and such. But I've held them back even 7/7 gardens an it'll still only give me 8-10k coins(and I'm usually top 3 in games)
xcrimsonlegendx
Seasoned Ace
12 years ago
The problem isn't that the payouts are bad for plants, it's that the time played causes the zombies to make a lot more. If the plants get a perfect game and shut out the zombies on the first garden they only get so many kills and only play for a short time resulting in way less coins. If the zombies play thought and win, it's a long drawn out game and they make 6-8k coins JUST one kills and other stats. The payouts for gardens taken/protected are very similar and it really wouldn't be fair to anyone if the plants could play for 5 minuets and make 10k coins but the zombies have to sit down for twenty minuets to make the same.
Yeah, I do think that the coins need to be balanced but just jacking up the payout for plants isn't a simple answer like people think.
Anonymous
12 years ago
Why do some people keep saying that G&G is balanced? Unless they work for PopCap or EA? There is obviously a balancing issue with G&;G ? Nine times out of ten, the zombie team will be full to the brim. Whereas there is never a problem on getting into the plants team. People know that he zombie team is overpowered AND that the payout is x2 at least as much as plants. This why people choose to be a zombie for the large majority of the time. This needs to be rebalance. End of story,
Anonymous
12 years ago
@elkatsa wrote:
Why do some people keep saying that G&G is balanced? Unless they work for PopCap or EA? There is obviously a balancing issue with G&;G ? Nine times out of ten, the zombie team will be full to the brim. Whereas there is never a problem on getting into the plants team. People know that he zombie team is overpowered AND that the payout is x2 at least as much as plants. This why people choose to be a zombie for the large majority of the time. This needs to be rebalance. End of story,
Im sorry that is just not true. The game is balanced in terms of payout, what players do based on false assumptions can not be controlled by the developers. (Nothing they do will stop people if they choose to quit a match, change teams) I just made a post about it here http://answers.ea.com/t5/Plants-Vs-Zombies-Garden-Warfare/Plants-make-too-much-money-when-they-lose-in-G-amp-G/m-p/2575014#U2575014 I can also tell you if G&G is bothering you, play Team Vanish. In the worst case it is equal CPM to G&G in the best case it is better.
Anonymous
12 years ago
I'm going to point out as well that the coin pay out for vanquish, gng etc is often balanced and updated by the devs so it has changed from what it shipped on. They continue to balance based on what seems right. Obviously everyone has an opinion on what the correct balance is, I think it depends if you are playing with a good team.

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