EA Staff (Retired)
Hi Jeremy i've read your comment and find it very useful.
Speaking about the imp.
Yes they re frustrating.
But not always... sometimes they are TOO MUCH and sometimes.. not that much.
Picking Fire element or Toxic one seems solves this problem greatly.
BBQ corn and Toxic Pea Shooter seems decent against him, maybe too good against him. If you take a single fire shot you are going to take 5 damage per 4 secons (with fire upgrade) so
Hit damage + Fire. This is honestly a lot.
Instead of nerfing is life why not giving a more chance to counterplay.
It's simple just adding one more tick to fire elements.
Adding a tick to fire elements doesnt effect long fights anyway since if you re going to shoot someone you're going to refresh the fire duration anyway and will only affect short trades, something the Imps is VERY WEAK!!
I think the major problem for the plant is that they are all "sleeping op" and at the same time they've got a bad composition and a bad spot
What i mean is most of the plant are hard to buff since their kit generally speaking is toxic.
Rose is an example of an unbalanced kit that is hard to balance and patch is a proof.
Making Citron less clunky will result is no counterplay in your opponent. Think about it. You are going to die than just transform yourself in a ball and get out all over again can make zombies feel frustrated.
If i have to say the truth i think Ice Citron is THE BEST plant right now. Large Hitbox for killing Imps, Empeach is good against imps/mech. Good health making him a "decent" chance to survive against Scientists and the Freeze is great overall against tanks like superbrainz, and in top of that he's good at tanking, maybe not too good cause he's a walking crit point. What i feel bad about him is just when you turn yourself to your battle mode FROM your ball mode you cant use empeach or shield quickly. He's underestimated in my opinion, and probably because giving player frustrating gameplay experience because he's clunky, but even if is not THAT good, is at least decent in this meta. Take note... i say is decent in this meta! Because the meta, not because is OP his-self.
The only thing i dont understand is the Base Citron. Why should i pick him over the Ice variant? Maybe he's UP or he deals more damage? I ddnt realize playing him.
Pea Shooter is very easy to play and dont require a good aim.. is not effective if you dont play him properly but even if you're not that good you can still be decent and be carryed just by playing safe.
Sunflower is a Medic with range and shouldnt be underestimated.. SUGGEST 1: but what about his sunflower pot could be thrown in the middle of a fight? If my team-mates are in a rough position i could still give them an hand. The thrown sunflower pot could be less health so at least there is some counterplay??
Corn is overvalued and too may Corns in the team are imho the reason plants are losing. BBQ is decent cause the fire helps against imps but the base one in my opinion is.. ok but overvalued. People thinks Foot Soldier sucks compare to him, well if i have to be truth i actually do a decent job with S.Commando and Park Ranger, instead everytime i play him (Corn, Mob and Pop) i think there is something wrong. Foot Soldier can stay in all his safety backline and doing damage when S.Brainz and Mech are focused. Instead Corn IS the frontline. He has to move and fire and lose a lot of accuracy. So Corn is a good character.. but in a bad team.
Chomper is a character that most of time, unless your an engineer doesnt give a lot of counterplay when he catch you?
SUGGEST: what about this? After you swallowed someone after X seconds you can use a "special burrow" again.
This burrow lasts X seconds "very few" and DOESNT allow him to eat again. It's like Hit and Run.
Ofc i'm speaking about very few seconds, but enough to get covered by your team and enough to give counterplay to your opponents if you are out of position too.
Cactus. Well i think his kit is not toxic, he's generally speaking balanced. He's weak to assassins, what about giving him a counterplay?
SUGGEST: the cactus OWNER of his potato traps can shoot them in order to activate them, but you have to wait X seconds after you had setup up them. So you cant suddenly set up them but more like you had to predict when and where you can be in trouble?
S. Brainz has a toxic kit as well as the old rose.
Tank, Strongest Melee as well as ranged, One dash and high mobility with the jump. Well honestly as long Rose was a thing and at least goatify him i think he's manageable. I honestly dont know how can a kit like S.Brainz can be balanced, but removing the damage reduction on the Turbo Twist i think is not the way to do it.
