Healers Discussion

I'd like to see Sunflowers being a bit weaker at healing than they currently are, in particular self-healing. I use the blossom upgrade on my main build so I can self-heal and self-overheal if I only have one target in range. Add that to the vampire flower upgrade and sunny side up, sunflowers are very annoying to fight against in PvP and can keep themselves alive to an extreme degree.

As for Scientists, I'm not as sure, although I'd like to be able to fight a bit better while healing, right now you can use the heal thingy and fight but if you use the healing hose you cannot. He's far weaker at self-healing than the sunflower is, that's for sure.

On a related note, I hope they also adjust that hardened upgrade for Acorns. +50 health is too much for the tiny character and when stacked with overhealing and especially if the sunflower healing them has cocoon, they can have a huge health pool on top of being difficult to hit and mobile.

@JusticeHeroXI personally would not want the scientist to be able to heal and fight at the same time (like the sun flower) .  He's already a very offensive player, although not god tier like before

The scientist actually has a hard mechanic you need to work on to be elusive while staying aggressive.   That is to aim at your opponents direction,  jump, then LT/L2 right away,  this should put your aim directly on the enemy, then fire.   All of this should be done while your in the air.   

This mechanic makes you really hard to hit.  It's actually hard to aim too, but if you can master this then you will have a much easier time hitting your opponent than they are to hitting you.   

@Iron_Guard8Agreed. I think that actually Scientists healing abilities are too weak to justify his inability to heal and shoot at the same time while Sunflower's healing skills are too strong to be offensive at the same time.

Edit: another idea would be to add a healing aura to the Scientist instead of the Healing Hose and nerf its rate of heal to make it work like Lúcio from Overwatch.

@ToastedSarnieSunflower has been my favorite plant since GW1 and still is. She was my 2nd grandmaster plant (Acorn was 1st) and I love playing her. I 100% agree that healing should provide more XP, and of course so should reviving, helping with revives, and a few other things as well. Maybe all they have to do is adjust a couple of her abilities like they did with blossom so you can't combo like I do in my builds for her. I used to have that blossom/cocoon build before the change and that was really strong, but my 2 builds for her still give a lot of self-healing and survival.

I've seen several concerns voiced over her self-healing more than her ability to heal others which is why I mentioned that at all. There are several abilities that can one-shot, or nearly one shot characters, especially lower health ones like her, so maybe all they need to do is tweak some upgrades and call it good.

Ok.. I am going to try and be as diplomatic as I can but doubt I will manage @ToastedSarnie  diplomacy, which is why I have avoided commenting all day. When I saw first saw this thread this morning I was triggered super bad... like SUPER bad.... like my head nearly exploded at the thought.

For a start.... sunflowers are targeted left right and center in every game should you choose to play her, which is one of the reasons most people don't... if you choose to play sunflower then you do it for the team... many games have no sunflowers at all because that's not how most people play this game. God forbid it messes with their k/d ratio!!!

As for the scientist.... while his healing may not be as versatile as the sunflower his damage capabilities, his healing thingymabob and his warps sure make up for it and make him a force to be reckoned with... which is why we generally see more scientists in a game than sunflowers.
Indeed, as has already been pointed out, I have often seen scientists on the podium and not for healing as many (not all) play him offensively and do very well with him.
Sunflower in contrast, however, is a healer primarily and struggles big style when up against some characters, if you are caught on your own you have no chance of survival. Not the case for the scientist who can warp away to safety, let alone his superior fire power.

Honestly super scared about this.... especially with the wizard coming and his (from what we know so far) super effective abilities.
The zombies are already a strong force... with a number of super strong characters.... they have superbrianz, space cadet and station, engineer and his turret, electric slide with her electric and tornado, pirate and his barrel and strong parrot, all star and soldier....
while the plants have what... nothing so strong, maybe nightcap who has low health and requires an amount of skill to play well and survive... and maybe the snap dragon if you are skilled with him... other than that Rose with her homing, which is touch and go and the goat thingy (easily avoided) ... a skilled cactus... maybe acorn and a skilled player....
you need a good strong, coordinated team for the plants to be successful while the zombies can get by with their primary fire and abilities even on a lower skilled, less coordinated team.

I know many people may disagree but honestly if they wreck the sunflower then it may ruin the game for me completely I will be so annoyed.
The fact that this is what they deem to be an issue to be looked at when we still have the space station dominating and other other ridiculouses going on blows my mind.