Lets fix Chomper

I think this is almost an entirely horrible idea because that would make the chomper horribly over powered. I have seen, myself included chompers decimate the zombies team when played smart. Increasing damage per bite to 40-50 is a terrible idea because his attack is naturally fast and can dish out damage easy and quick. Increasing the bite chomper damage would mean increasing the spray chomper damage which is already powerful. Then take into account the metal chomper. Should he be doing 65-75 damage? No. 

I dont think he should take less damage or be invulnerable because it nearly removes the need to be very strategic with the chomper.  You need to choose when you should swallow or bite to death. 

Chomp Cannon does 100 damage right in the face and 40-50 in splash damage so that is plenty awesome when you know how to aim it.

Health is perfectly fine. 

Good is meant to hold, its a utility not a damage attack. 

The only think I agree with is being gooped should decrease swallow speed, but only for purple good, not super sticky. Also, only imps should be swallowed extremely quickly.  

Chompers are assassins, be sneaky and pick your targets. I normally stalk the respawns the best I can forcing them to focus on me and dodging between all obstacles. 

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@JarlAdalbert wrote:

I think this is almost an entirely horrible idea because that would make the chomper horribly over powered. I have seen, myself included chompers decimate the zombies team when played smart. Increasing damage per bite to 40-50 is a terrible idea because his attack is naturally fast and can dish out damage easy and quick. Increasing the bite chomper damage would mean increasing the spray chomper damage which is already powerful. Then take into account the metal chomper. Should he be doing 65-75 damage? No. 

I dont think he should take less damage or be invulnerable because it nearly removes the need to be very strategic with the chomper.  You need to choose when you should swallow or bite to death. 

Chomp Cannon does 100 damage right in the face and 40-50 in splash damage so that is plenty awesome when you know how to aim it.

Health is perfectly fine. 

Good is meant to hold, its a utility not a damage attack. 

The only think I agree with is being gooped should decrease swallow speed, but only for purple good, not super sticky. Also, only imps should be swallowed extremely quickly.  

Chompers are assassins, be sneaky and pick your targets. I normally stalk the respawns the best I can forcing them to focus on me and dodging between all obstacles. 

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So you are fine with one melee character having one of the strongest range attacks and damage reduction while the other one has none?

200 health should be standard for Chomper, it'* box is huge and like I said before it's just a walking critical shot.

I never said to buff Armor Chomper's damage, he's still a tanky Chomper, but it would be nice for other biting Chompers to be more inline with his bite and the only Spray Chomper which needs a proper damage buff is Chomp Thing.

Zombies have the Scientist which can 2 shot plants, why can't plants have a character which can 2 shot the Scientist? His bite speed and the Scientist's projectile speed are about the same. Both seem to be Assassin type characters.

Sorry Chomp Cannon is terrible, goop is alot more useful. If Chomp Cannon's had it's damage and a AoE goop then it would of been much more useful. Also Cheesy Goop use to not only hold the target, but it did decent damage. So yes goop should damage as well as hold.

@KnowsNoLimit

I think you're on the right lines but probably a little overboard?

- Digestion Damage Reduction to 50%

- Bite Damage Increase to 35

- Damage Reduction Burrow to 50%

- Health Increase to 250

- Chomp Cannon Damage Increase to 150

Chomper is my favourite too but to balance it, I think the above should do it, with Goop/Camera bug fixes.

May I use some of your ideas into a mega balance thread I plan to write up?

Bare in mind cheesy goop makes bites more effective with its DOT whether or not the bite damage is increased more.  One more reason to have it.

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@Zaheen1337 wrote:

@KnowsNoLimit

I think you're on the right lines but probably a little overboard?

- Digestion Damage Reduction to 50%

- Bite Damage Increase to 35

- Damage Reduction Burrow to 50%

- Health Increase to 250

- Chomp Cannon Damage Increase to 150

Chomper is my favourite too but to balance it, I think the above should do it, with Goop/Camera bug fixes.

May I use some of your ideas into a mega balance thread I plan to write up?

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Sure thing, I was just throwing ideas around. I wasn't set on the values. I may of gone abit overboard with bite damage, I just wanted people terrified of the Chomper lol.

Your values seem more realistic, I would be happy with those in game.

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@Screion wrote:

The Chomper is already very powerful, especially up close. And people fear him.

The main problem is not his damage output (ever thought about the Fire variant?) but his standing on the battlefield, where he is an easy defenseless target everyone hates. And since people tend to go after the easy targets instead of the challenging ones, the Chomper is in the focus pretty fast. And to top it off many people play the Chomper wrong, ultimately leaving the wrong impression.

So as experienced Chomper player i can say the Chomper needs more health. That's it. 25 more HP should do it. That would bring the Armor Chomper to 250 HP . Even 261 with the upgrade. Not to forget the Armor Chomper already has 50 dmg bites.

The rest depends a lot on how he is played. And no one wants masses of rushing Chompers going solo on the enemy team. Which of course is often the cause of death after 1 kill.

Right now we already have important changes affecting the Chomper in GW2. He is a powerful tool to burrow behind enemy lines and disable machinery. He can nullify the twister and barrel blast. He can trade some health for a burrow on an active twister. He can lock campers in place over a long distance so the own snipers can take care of them. Not to forget how powerful goop in general is. Goop only lacks the 35 damage it could deal in GW1 as cheese type.

His main problem is just that people like to shoot defenseless targets. And that is the big Chomper when he digests and also in general. But it is necessary to balance that insta-kill out with a downside. And it is not simply an insta-kill as the victim ends up unrevivable. And especially the unrevivable status effect is something only one zombie class has to offer now: Cozmic Brains. But only under certain circumstances that are not guaranteed to happen.

And even more changes have been made. Thinking of the annoying respawn exploit that plagued the first GW. Or the broken ZPG animation that made rockets go off inside the chompers mouth, killing him in the process and freeing the victim. Those times are over. Now he can even devour an active Impkata Imp. Which is hilarious to watch anytime by the way.

The only thing i don't understand is why he does no longer get XP for removing armor from AI zombies. And why he can no longer remove armor from AI zombies with a spikeweed. Not to forget why the zombies no longer hang in the spikeweed. Which was a really nice animation. 

Gameplay wise one of the major problems he has is the randomness of a chomp that replaces a bite. That way a melee battle can lead to death as soon as the grab animation begins.

In addition the Chomper should have the unique ability to be marked for a shorter amount of time, to increase his stealth capabilities behind cover or while burrowed.

Teamplay wise i miss something crazy to happen when the Chomper manages to eat a goat. That's clearly a missed opportunity.

So careful with the demands of buffs. Even if a Chomper dominated game would be something to watch. It would ultimately ruin the experience just like Rose did.

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What this man said. I can already see it, nothing but chompers and engineers in the field. The plants are actually fine right now, zombie variants need to be toned down a bit and you'll have yourself a great balanced game. 

Feared up close? The top three scientist can wreck him even while gooped and all zombies have a higher DPS than spray chompers now.

this is how I think the chomper should be fixed.

A few ideas on how to improve the Chomper.

The Chomper has two problems

1. Digesting a zombie before he dies.
2. Facing and the confronting multiple zombies.

To fix the Chomper’s digestion rate problem it needs a new way eat zombies.

This is how I think it should be solved.

This is only given to chompers without spray types or belching weapons. I’m calling it the buffet bar. This digestion themed bar will show how many zombies can be swallowed by a Chomper before digestion, with a limit of 2 zombies. If the Chomper swallows 2 zombies the Chomper needs to sit and digest for the time of 7 seconds. If a Chomper swallows only one zombie the bar will go up to half way, and the Chomper will not be restricted in the use of abilities or his primary weapon. Also if no zombies are eaten during 3 seconds after swallowing a zombie, the bar will steadily drop until zero. If an impatient Chomper eats a zombie while the bar is 4th the way up or more the bar will max out and force them to digest. This buff will help out with the problem of zombies paring up in groups too.

(When zombies group together.)

This is for all the chompers. We give him a second burrow. Now before you think that it is OP let me describe it. When underneath a zombie (through the burrow ability) you click the burrow button again in which you pop up half way pulling the zombie down into the ground. The zombie will be swallowed and digested at the end of the second burrow. Through this means that you can’t eat another zombie through the use of the second burrow because you have a zombie still in the Chomper’s mouth.

Small changes can make huge balance differences. 

Here is how I would buff Chomper. When he is digesting a target reset his goop cooldown and allow him to cast goop. That's it. Now he has an escape. 

The best part about this buff is that it is skill dependent. It allows good players to escape and it gives all players a chance to get out.

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@KnowsNoLimit wrote:

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@JarlAdalbert wrote:

I think this is almost an entirely horrible idea because that would make the chomper horribly over powered. I have seen, myself included chompers decimate the zombies team when played smart. Increasing damage per bite to 40-50 is a terrible idea because his attack is naturally fast and can dish out damage easy and quick. Increasing the bite chomper damage would mean increasing the spray chomper damage which is already powerful. Then take into account the metal chomper. Should he be doing 65-75 damage? No. 

I dont think he should take less damage or be invulnerable because it nearly removes the need to be very strategic with the chomper.  You need to choose when you should swallow or bite to death. 

Chomp Cannon does 100 damage right in the face and 40-50 in splash damage so that is plenty awesome when you know how to aim it.

Health is perfectly fine. 

Good is meant to hold, its a utility not a damage attack. 

The only think I agree with is being gooped should decrease swallow speed, but only for purple good, not super sticky. Also, only imps should be swallowed extremely quickly.  

Chompers are assassins, be sneaky and pick your targets. I normally stalk the respawns the best I can forcing them to focus on me and dodging between all obstacles. 

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So you are fine with one melee character having one of the strongest range attacks and damage reduction while the other one has none?

200 health should be standard for Chomper, it'* box is huge and like I said before it's just a walking critical shot.

I never said to buff Armor Chomper's damage, he's still a tanky Chomper, but it would be nice for other biting Chompers to be more inline with his bite and the only Spray Chomper which needs a proper damage buff is Chomp Thing.

Zombies have the Scientist which can 2 shot plants, why can't plants have a character which can 2 shot the Scientist? His bite speed and the Scientist's projectile speed are about the same. Both seem to be Assassin type characters.

Sorry Chomp Cannon is terrible, goop is alot more useful. If Chomp Cannon's had it's damage and a AoE goop then it would of been much more useful. Also Cheesy Goop use to not only hold the target, but it did decent damage. So yes goop should damage as well as hold.

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200 health should not be the standard. 125-175(225 for armor) has never been an issue in the first game and as an avid chomper player, does not feel like a problem in this game. Watch the movie dodgeball and learn the 5 Ds and you will be a good chomper. 

 If you are buffing chomper damage and the armored chomper naturally has 25 more damage than the normal chomper then yes, whatever you want them to upgrade bite chomper damage too, armor will need his normal attack buff. Chomp thing I play as support so I find no issue with him. In the first game he held my highest vanquish streak as a chomper. 

Scientist two shot characters up front. Citron, PeaShooter, Corn, Rose all have movies to keep their distance or play safely staying at a distance. Chompers can one shot any class no matter what health they are at. I guess Zombies should have a class that can dish out that much damage as well.

I use Chomp Cannon on three of my chompers and have found many ways to use it amazingly. Having a distance attack as a chomper than can 1 shot a scientist with no health upgrades is pretty amazing. 

Seriously, I dont want to sound mean but it just sounds like you are bad at playing the chomper.