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daalnnii
9 years ago
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PvZ Heroes Feedback: Pros and Cons

So when i was in the military, after we finished training or a nonroutine mission (even some routine ones) we generally got together for an after action review. That is, what was going right? What co...
  • EA_Andy's avatar
    EA_Andy
    9 years ago

    Hey @daalnnii

    Thanks for posting this - it's an idea I really like and I can send over the results to the PvZ team.

    I'll go ahead and sticky this so we can get a wide set of views. I've also edited the title a bit so it's really obvious what we're looking for 🙂

    Just make sure whether it's a pro or a con to keep things constructive.

    - Andy -

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Guacodile42
9 years ago

I'm going to try to be as fair as possible.

Pros:

1. Addictive game play.  With hundreds of unique cards to toy around with, you can never get bored of this game.  I can only play this game 2 days a week.  On those 2 days, 90% of my time is spent playing this game.  No matter how frustrating it can be sometimes (I'll talk about that in cons), it still manages to keep me addicted.

2. Packs & Gems.  With the ads giving you gems and how cheap packs can be, it's a really rewarding system that makes the game feel f2p.  I've noticed that the luck of packs has increased recently, with 80% of premium packs I open containing at least 1 super-rare or better.  This, plus the powerful event cards everyone can get, makes the game enjoyable for everyone.

3. Balance.  This was already mentioned by @daalnnii but I want to mention it again because the balance in this game truly is great.  There is an exception, however...(will talk about in cons)

Cons:

1. Deck limit.  The deck limit recently has decreased form 100 to 90.  Yes, strategy decks were added, but I would just consider them options/recommendations and not actual decks.  I usually make 5-6 decks per hero: Control, Aggro, Major tribe #1 (Ex: Pea deck), Major tribe #2, Something unique to the hero, and maybe something else focusing on a specific ability (Self-Hurt, Anti-Hero, Armor, ect.).  Now, the limit is 4 per hero, with 5 extra per side.  It feels so limiting, at least IMO.

2. Sneaky.  Every class is so balanced, but this one...no matter what deck, play style, hero, or class I use, Sneaky wins against me roughly 75% of the time.  Why?  Well, it has no definitive weakness.  Tell me what play style, hero, or class counters Sneaky.  That's right, virtually nothing.  Anti-Hero + Smoke Bomb is such a cheap combo, and due to Stealthy Imp only being an Uncommon and Smoke Bomb only being a Common, EVERY Sneaky player has access to it.  Oh yeah, and Surprise Gargantuar.  Smoosh-Shroom is a 5/4 5-cost Common.  Surprise Gargnatuar is a 5/6 5-cost Common with "Gravestone.  When revealed: Move this zombie.", plus it's a gargantuar.  WHAT?!  Also, Imp decks.  No card disadvantage because of Commander, and no minion disadvantage because of Toxic Waste Imp.  Very balanced.  Also, Deadly in general.  A re-usable free Locust Swarm whenever a zombie with this trait hits a plant.  Perfectly balanced.  And now that Fire Rooster is out, not even mushrooms can defeat it.  Please, EA...if there were a Weed Spray for plants, that would make Sneaky balanced, because so many of its zombies have 2 strength or less.

Phew...long rant.  Anyway, that's all.

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Anonymous
9 years ago
@Guacodile42 wrote:

2. Sneaky.  Every class is so balanced, but this one...no matter what deck, play style, hero, or class I use, Sneaky wins against me roughly 75% of the time.  Why?  Well, it has no definitive weakness.  Tell me what play style, hero, or class counters Sneaky.  That's right, virtually nothing.  Anti-Hero + Smoke Bomb is such a cheap combo, and due to Stealthy Imp only being an Uncommon and Smoke Bomb only being a Common, EVERY Sneaky player has access to it.  Oh yeah, and Surprise Gargantuar.  Smoosh-Shroom is a 5/4 5-cost Common.  Surprise Gargnatuar is a 5/6 5-cost Common with "Gravestone.  When revealed: Move this zombie.", plus it's a gargantuar.  WHAT?!  Also, Imp decks.  No card disadvantage because of Commander, and no minion disadvantage because of Toxic Waste Imp.  Very balanced.  Also, Deadly in general.  A re-usable free Locust Swarm whenever a zombie with this trait hits a plant.  Perfectly balanced.  And now that Fire Rooster is out, not even mushrooms can defeat it.  Please, EA...if there were a Weed Spray for plants, that would make Sneaky balanced, because so many of its zombies have 2 strength or less.

Phew...long rant.  Anyway, that's all.

Haha, yep.

If I get Super Brainz as an opponent, I rest my finger on my device's home button. If a Ninja is the first thing that is played, I force-quit immediately. They can sit there for the next minute twiddling their thumbs while I play against someone else.

I'm not interested in playing a match where my opponent spends all of their cards in the first 3 turns jumping all over the place.

The first few thousand times playing that deck was enough for me.

  • Guacodile42's avatar
    Guacodile42
    9 years ago
    @GrinningRuiner wrote:
    @Guacodile42 wrote:

    2. Sneaky.  Every class is so balanced, but this one...no matter what deck, play style, hero, or class I use, Sneaky wins against me roughly 75% of the time.  Why?  Well, it has no definitive weakness.  Tell me what play style, hero, or class counters Sneaky.  That's right, virtually nothing.  Anti-Hero + Smoke Bomb is such a cheap combo, and due to Stealthy Imp only being an Uncommon and Smoke Bomb only being a Common, EVERY Sneaky player has access to it.  Oh yeah, and Surprise Gargantuar.  Smoosh-Shroom is a 5/4 5-cost Common.  Surprise Gargnatuar is a 5/6 5-cost Common with "Gravestone.  When revealed: Move this zombie.", plus it's a gargantuar.  WHAT?!  Also, Imp decks.  No card disadvantage because of Commander, and no minion disadvantage because of Toxic Waste Imp.  Very balanced.  Also, Deadly in general.  A re-usable free Locust Swarm whenever a zombie with this trait hits a plant.  Perfectly balanced.  And now that Fire Rooster is out, not even mushrooms can defeat it.  Please, EA...if there were a Weed Spray for plants, that would make Sneaky balanced, because so many of its zombies have 2 strength or less.

    Phew...long rant.  Anyway, that's all.

    Haha, yep.

    If I get Super Brainz as an opponent, I rest my finger on my device's home button. If a Ninja is the first thing that is played, I force-quit immediately. They can sit there for the next minute twiddling their thumbs while I play against someone else.

    I'm not interested in playing a match where my opponent spends all of their cards in the first 3 turns jumping all over the place.

    The first few thousand times playing that deck was enough for me.

    @GrinningRuiner Brainy, Hearty, and Sneaky are the meta.  Two of these things are tolerable.  One of these is absolute feces.  If your deck doesn't prioritize in early game control with 4x Grave Buster, you may as well concede.

    • Anonymous's avatar
      Anonymous
      9 years ago

      The sneaky class being strong must be a thing on lower levels only. Gravestones are good, but because of mixed up+pogo, not because of surprise gargantuar lol. you can beat them by playing cheap minions to clog your lanes. shroom for 2 counters ninja on turn 1. i dont think i lost to stealthy imp during the last month either. most high end gravestone decks play line dancer instead anyway.

      on topic: pro: the game seems balanced. there are really strong decks (and cards) but since plants and zombies have their fair share of strong cards, its all cool. tricksters for example seem op, but on the other hand, so is GoW/Dandy or Pineclone. every card has good counters. or they are so expensive that you can beat them with quick decks.

      con: its really boring once you hit ultimate league. there just is nothing to do. you can play around with decks, thats fun, but tbh i dont care if i have 700 or 800 stars or 900. so i just play to get the event cards, but it starts feeling like a chore. give us some goals.

  • nangulo's avatar
    nangulo
    9 years ago

    "Haha, yep.

    If I get Super Brainz as an opponent, I rest my finger on my device's home button. If a Ninja is the first thing that is played, I force-quit immediately. They can sit there for the next minute twiddling their thumbs while I play against someone else.

    I'm not interested in playing a match where my opponent spends all of their cards in the first 3 turns jumping all over the place.

    The first few thousand times playing that deck was enough for me."

    1) people like the one quoted above should punished by losing stars or gems or tickets if thy are consistently leaving a game like that instead of conceding. And for sure the people they are playing against should get extra stars (in a rated game) or gems or tickets when they do that (obviously not if they are playing against friends in their lists,but any other time.) It's extremely rude to be in the middle of a game, and be winning and some sore loser decides to cop-out instead of conceding.

    2) I just saved 1500 gems and bought the beta-carrotina 1,500 gem, 11-pack deal, and still don't have her! That's ridiculous and extremely frustrating!

    3) since the new cards came out, there are a TON of glitches and bugs in the game (frozen zombies still attacking, pine clones turning plants that appear AFTER the pone clones are played into pine clones, etc...) super annoying.

    • Anonymous's avatar
      Anonymous
      9 years ago

      Haha, yeah that guy was a real moron.

      In ranked games people do lose stars for leaving early. And is waiting an extra 15 seconds really that big of a deal?

      I wholeheartedly agree with your other points. They really need to try harder to make the game bug-free.

    • Anonymous's avatar
      Anonymous
      9 years ago

      I also saved up 1500 gems for the Beta-Carrotina multi-pack, but didn't get her. Obviously, the drops are random, and I understand that, but it is so frustrating. I wish it was clearer whether she would continue to be available after this week.

      EA: The game is fun! I particularly enjoy the daily challenges. Please be more transparent about your countdowns, such as whether Beta-Carrotina will be available in the future. Thank you for clarifying that the new season will begin next week. That was very confusing when the Announcements said it had ended!

    • Guacodile42's avatar
      Guacodile42
      9 years ago
      @nangulo wrote:

      "Haha, yep.

      If I get Super Brainz as an opponent, I rest my finger on my device's home button. If a Ninja is the first thing that is played, I force-quit immediately. They can sit there for the next minute twiddling their thumbs while I play against someone else.

      I'm not interested in playing a match where my opponent spends all of their cards in the first 3 turns jumping all over the place.

      The first few thousand times playing that deck was enough for me."

      1) people like the one quoted above should punished by losing stars or gems or tickets if thy are consistently leaving a game like that instead of conceding. And for sure the people they are playing against should get extra stars (in a rated game) or gems or tickets when they do that (obviously not if they are playing against friends in their lists,but any other time.) It's extremely rude to be in the middle of a game, and be winning and some sore loser decides to cop-out instead of conceding.

      2) I just saved 1500 gems and bought the beta-carrotina 1,500 gem, 11-pack deal, and still don't have her! That's ridiculous and extremely frustrating!

      3) since the new cards came out, there are a TON of glitches and bugs in the game (frozen zombies still attacking, pine clones turning plants that appear AFTER the pone clones are played into pine clones, etc...) super annoying.

      Point 2: Drops are random.  Even if you open 11 packs, it's still more than likely not to get the hero.  I feel bad for you though, I opened one of the same pack and got her on my first try.

      Point 3: The pineclone part is NOT a glitch.  It's how the game works: Everything is done in the order from left to right.  Let me explain this through an example.

      Lane 1 has any plant, Lane 2 has the Mushroom Grotto environment and any plant, Lane 4 has any plant, and the remaining lanes are empty.  You play Pineclone on Lane 3.  It transforms all plants into Pineclones at once, of course.  Whenever a plant is transformed, the game counts that as playing another plant, so the game checks for all of their "When played" abilities in order from left to right.  Transforming that plant on Lane 2 counts as playing a plant there, which activates Mushroom Grotto's ability, and a Puff Shroom is created in Lane 1.  Going from left to right still, the Pineclone on Lane 4 is technically "played", so the game activates its "When Played" ability, which is to transform all plants into Pineclones.  So, it transforms that Puff-Shroom on Lane 1 into a Pineclone.  Not a glitch,

      • Anonymous's avatar
        Anonymous
        8 years ago
        I am liking this new update very much for the sharper graphics and faster animations and especially for giving back the random background. I know that isn't even something affecting the actual gameplay, but it is nice to have a change in the sceneries rather than just the same one every vs game. A couple little things in the collection at the top of our decks page where it shows you the 10x and 5x and then are highlighted when the bottle is full.

        All in all my hat is off to you(the dev team) for definitely a nice update at least from my iPod touch and hopefully things continue to run smoothly like it's been since the bug fixes. Cheers! 👍

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