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AWMaxSterling
9 years ago
Probably just a scrub wanting to keep his crutch the way it is. Rose was fine the way she was in the closed beta. There really was no need to buff her. I definitely want what you're smoking though... because splash damage is nowhere near the crutch that these homing thistles are.
- Rhendyr
  9 years ago
  She does great ranged dmg from distance that is "heat seeking", she has decent health, and great utility. She's the single most powerful toon in the game, bar none.
  What would go a long way towards reducing her strength would be to make her thistles not seeking, or reduce them from 10 dmg a hit to maybe 3.
xcrimsonlegendx
9 years ago
I personally don't believe she should have been buffed to this degree in the first place, she was perfectly fine in the beta. Though I trust what the devs are doing, so I'm sure they'll balance her out in time.
- Anonymous
  9 years ago
  They over nerfed the imp and they over buffed rose. They just need to find a happy medium for both classes.
JigsawsXbro
9 years ago
Recently just completed 3 games in a row where the enemy team was composed of 6+ roses. This resulted in them just steam plowing over the zombies which in turn removes the fun from the opposing teams. When the beta was out rose and corn mcgee were my main character rose especially. I enjoyed the balancing she had then you were a mid to long range support. now you are a rapid fire homing tank. Goatify mixed with Time snare with increased damage output results in few if any situations where you are out gunned.
- kumaxking
  9 years ago
  @JigsawsXbro wrote:
  Recently just completed 3 games in a row where the enemy team was composed of 6+ roses. This resulted in them just steam plowing over the zombies which in turn removes the fun from the opposing teams. When the beta was out rose and corn mcgee were my main character rose especially. I enjoyed the balancing she had then you were a mid to long range support. now you are a rapid fire homing tank. Goatify mixed with Time snare with increased damage output results in few if any situations where you are out gunned.
  I gotta agree with this completely. I almost strictly played Rose during the beta, and she was my favorite character simply because of her supportive style. She wasn't supposed to deal massive amounts of damage, and the homing thistles made up for that. Arguably, she was probably one of the more balanced characters in beta. Now on top of having a massive utility kit of abilities, she has the firepower to take down enemies as well, instead of being that supportive plant for her team. Between the beta to pre-release trial access, she has gone from my favorite character to my most hated character. I was playing/talking with a couple people, and was so frustrated with how they had buffed her. There was no reason why I should be going 2-9 against a Druid Rose while playing as an All-Star or Engineer.
3DJRD
9 years ago
A general reply to comments so far:
I do notice quite a lot more Roses while playing Turf Takeover gametypes, then in others such as Team Vanquish. An indication she's more effective (thus more common) in those gametypes due to factors such as the higher concentration of players in a single location, etc.
As for those claiming she actually has a quick firerate; go compare it (using the ammo count on the HUD) to other classes (and their variants) and you'll see that's just not the case. And if you also went ahead and tested out the homing attribute you'd also see it really isn't that good (as you obviously believe).
🙂
- JigsawsXbro
  9 years ago
  @3DJRD wrote:
  A general reply to comments so far:
  I do notice quite a lot more Roses while playing Turf Takeover gametypes, then in others such as Team Vanquish. An indication she's more effective (thus more common) in those gametypes due to factors such as the higher concentration of players in a single location, etc.
  As for those claiming she actually has a quick firerate; go compare it (using the ammo count on the HUD) to other classes (and their variants) and you'll see that's just not the case. And if you also went ahead and tested out the homing attribute you'd also see it really isn't that good (as you obviously believe).
  🙂
  Her ammo capacity compared to her fire rate is one of the highest in the game, this added to her homing shot means she can out damage most if not all zombies.
  - Anonymous
    9 years ago
    Rose is definetely overpowered and needs to be tuned down. She was perfect in the beta weekend and i had a lot of good games with her.
    Now aprox. 70% of the plants team play her and she is seriously overpowered. Roundabout 10 points dmg per shot, homing shots and a high fire rate.
    It is so easy to focus down any enemy, and another enemy, and another enemy ...
    I was really pissed and tried it myself, never had such an easy mode with any other character.
    She seriously needs to be fixed. Her advantage are already the homing shots and a lot of crowd control. Furthermore it is no problem to flee from bad situations with her. Currently i don't see any disadvantage because her dmg per shot is also higher than other characters. eg Try Soldier or All-Star and tell me your experience. You will recognize that i tell the truth.
    Thanks for reading and best wishes from germany. : )
- RollingBiftas24
  9 years ago
  Not overpowered? Wow! Wow! I'm sorry but I can't take that seriously. I could play with my feet and do well with rose. The character has some of the strongest abilities. Is very mobile. And has practically no weak points. If rose was as weak as you say I wouldn't see 6+ of them every game.
  
  I understand that people who rely on rose to do well each game don't want her nerfed, some of us just want a balanced game
  - I_AM_H0LLYWO0D
    9 years ago
    I hope they just lower her HP to 50
Boolerex
9 years ago
It should be noted that she only got 4 buff compared to beta: +1.5 damage (9 > 10.5, which end up being 10 damage anyway),a better projectile tracking, one more burst for arcane enigma and doing full damage to Z-Mech.
So that clearly his primary weapon that ended up being too strong now. Same for most of her variant (I guess.). I barely saw anyone talking about rose back during the beta test. Just put her damage back to where it was in beta and see how it go.
- AWMaxSterling
  9 years ago
  @Boolerex wrote:
  
  It should be noted that she only got 4 buff compared to beta: +1.5 damage (9 > 10.5, which end up being 10 damage anyway),a better projectile tracking, one more burst for arcane enigma and doing full damage to Z-Mech.
  
  So that clearly his primary weapon that ended up being too strong now. Same for most of her variant (I guess.). I barely saw anyone talking about rose back during the beta test. Just put her damage back to where it was in beta and see how it go.
  
  I'd like for them to keep the current damage to Z-mechs, tune down the tracking to Beta settings, and drop damage to between 9 - 9.5.
  
  I think the biggest issue is the extent of current tracking on her shots.
  - Robelin
    9 years ago
    Shes overpowered. Hahaha have you played druid rose??? Omg. Homing thistles with toxic damage overtime. Overpowered to max!!!!!
Tommie2006
9 years ago
I can't take your post to serious when you say that the sunflower is a worthless supportclass.
Did you allready play Rose after the beta? I guess not, otherwise you should know that Rose is overpowered at the moment. It's no fun at all to play at the zombiesteam now, the balance is gone and over 50% of the plants team plays with Rose. Result for the zombies is that you are dead or a goat. Half an hour ago we were with only 4 zombies (others had left because of to many Rose) and only 1 zombie was not walking around as a goat.
I hope Popcap will fix this soon and I also hope that next time they first test changes in the game before releasing it.
- Anonymous
  9 years ago
  That is complete and utter nonsense. I just played a full game of garden warfare. Zombies could not even get through the gate. Don't tell me that players on zombies aren't any good. The game is unplayable as it is.
  - Anonymous
    9 years ago
    Don't forget that Rose got an indirect buff by slowing all the characters down. Add on the fact that the tracking on her weapon has been improved, it makes it easy for her to slaughter her way throughout the zombies without any skill.
    Even if you reverted her to her beta stage, she would still be more powerful than she was then due to the slowing down of characters.
Anonymous
9 years ago
How do I flag this post as spam? How dare you defend a character that is used 90% of the time in turf takeover. Oblivious topic creator is oblivious.
TaasteTheRainbo
9 years ago
Rose seems to be a Mess...
Please address this issue 😞
- IronCatFish47
  9 years ago
  I burned my trial hours doing quests so I wasn't sure what was going on when I saw all the ROSE OP/Broken topics here and on the GW reddit. That is until I played a G&G and a default rose MOPPED me 4-14. Last night I ran into a fire rose and at one point she had a 1-9 matchup with me. This chick is CRAAAAZY. Even the super commando wasn't this ridiculous and even I was cautious about nerfing him. I had to sneak up on her for every vanquish.
  Its only been a few games so maybe I need some more time to figure out how to fight her, but I have NEVER been vanquished by another player so effortlessly.
Briq
9 years ago
This idiot posted the same thread on reddit and got trashed there like he's getting trashed here. The only people who would defend rose the way she is now are people who want to abuse her while they can and people who are so delusional that they can't see the reason they do well on her is because she's broken.
Anonymous
9 years ago
Many games end up with this level of disparity. My first time playing as the Rose I ended up with 53 kills and that was the default version too. I shudder to think how it will be once she's more leveled up.

In the beta, only like two or three people were Roses. She could be a threat if handled by a decent player. Now, anyone can just rack up 20+ kills with her and under experience hands? Forget about it, the plants just annihilate any chance for the Zombies. It's quite baffling the developers of this game didn't see this as a balance-breaking situation.