Zaheen, after 16 wins (14 with plants, 1 with zombies, and 1 loss) I fired up Ark for a bit.
As to looking up the term balance, it depends on your version of balance. Should all toons be balanced against one another, friend and foe? Should every toon have a 50% chance of winning against every other toon? Or, in a TEAM based shooter, should it be more about TEAM balance?
I'm inclined to think it should be more about team balance. But, that's just my opinion, as I'm sure your opinion, regardless of its asinine nature, will vary.
You're the first player in all my time gaming in over 25 years has actually counted how many games they've won and lost, as either side.
Just purely from the fact you've been able to force yourself onto the plant side 95% of the time proves the point here, and again, I'm not talking about one game mode.
Every game I was playing yesterday teams were stacked 8v4 on zombies, 6v3, 10v6...
Every single game.
I don't know what you're smoking, but whatever it is I suggest you should stop smoking it, try a different game mode and see for yourself.
@Zaheen1337 wrote:You're the first player in all my time gaming in over 25 years has actually counted how many games they've won and lost, as either side. Are you actually that sad?
Just purely from the fact you've been able to force yourself onto the plant side 95% of the time proves the point here, and again, I'm not talking about one game mode. Are you illiterate? Unable to see perhaps? We have made this point clearly to you yet you're not absorbing it.
I dont count this is nether a win/lost thing is as i played them and how they felt as for plants they lack team work and i know that even zombies lack it like i said it just a point of view if you dont like it then there nothing more i can say and if you want my view on plants the only one i would even think about buffing if chomper but he dont need it
So you're going to argue plants are weak because the entire game who are on the plants side lack teamwork?
Really?!
Let them all group up so you can bomb them all together with an Imp Punt right? That thing that explodes in like 1 second and impossible to dodge even with Sunflower, supposedly the fastest class in the game. When I see a bunch of plants all together as the Scientist I think it's party time and that's why I'm getting highest vanquish and streak every game.
You can't justify or back up your comments with anything, and the reason for that is because they're irrational and you seem to lack understanding of each class. I'm winning every game in the zombies side too, and the same bunch of players are losing on the plants, half of them are switching back to the zombies and winning. There's a reason for this, some people simply don't like losing.
Only a troll will come on here and dispute what I'm saying and insult/try to convince me the game is balanced and that I'm bad. Just because I want a game to be balanced?
Zaheen1337 wrote:
So you're going to argue plants are weak because the entire game who are on the plants side lack teamwork?
Really?!
Let them all group up so you can bomb them all together with an Imp Punt right? That thing that explodes in like 1 second and impossible to dodge even with Sunflower, supposedly the fastest class in the game. When I see a bunch of plants all together as the Scientist I think it's party time and that's why I'm getting highest vanquish and streak every game.
Well I've just spent the past few hours labouring through several games of Turf takeover and I reckon that what Zaheen is saying here pretty much sums things up. What I have noticed is teamwork is pretty much always in place during garden 1 - but as the game wears on and it starts to become a little more obvious that more and more plants are getting a bit tired of suicide missions towards the garden and simply hanging back for the slightly safer option of long range cheap kills, that's where the teamwork pretty much ends.
If this would have been PVZ1 then I would have been screaming at these people to play the game properly - but on reflection even I now understand that a time will come when even the most die hard of team player gets a bit tired of charging towards the garden for the umpteenth time, tired of being rendered completely immobile (this happens way too often for my liking) by a zombie weapon for the umpteenth time and finally tired of being finished off by <insert zombie character> for the umpteenth time - and you know, I can't blame them for not wanting to make the effort..even I don't bother now.
Not because i'm a vanquish obsessed score w-h-o-r-e but purely and simply because, as a plant, there genuinely seems to be no logical way to play this game without ending up just going through the motions, collecting your coins at the end of the game and starting over in the vain hope that the next game will be a little better. It never is.
re: player count.
I noticed tonight that the lobbies are no longer full - or if full end up with a good 40% of players missing/quitting at the end of the game. Players which don't seem to be replenished as frequently as they used to be. I've also noticed that it only seems to be the plant side that are missing these players (the worst one I saw being 3v9 on game completion) which, considering the relative newness of the game, isn't a particularly promising sign.
re: new characters.
If truth be told I don't like any of them because aside from the fact that every single one of them seem to be plagued with their own personal issues I just don't think they feel right in the game.
Just take them all out until such a time when they fit in correctly with the original 8. Simple.
And last but not least, a while ago I read a comment from a user (sorry, I can't remember who) and it was mentioned in his posting that, after playing GW2 for a while and given the option, he would probably have preferred to pay $60 for a huge map expansion for the original as opposed to $60 for a brand new game. Having now given GW2 a considerable amount of gameplay since it's initial novelty value and considering exactly why I personally purchased the game (for multiplayer) i'm actually starting to feel that he made quite a valid statement.....soul destroying stuff....
