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6 years ago
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The FINAL Steam Blaster thread...

.... at least from me.

Just had to quit another game because of high ranks abusing the steam blaster to make up for lack of skill.

I want to play because of the new prize map but this is probably gonna be the first one I don't complete. So frustrating for something that should never had been released and should, having been released, should have been nerfed quicker.

Popcap, steam blaster and your inaction to nerf it is ruining your game for players. 

If not nerfed in next patch then game uninstalled for me. No point complaining about it any more.

  • Yeah. I hope it's nerfed into the ground lol. It's not fun to play against at all and it doesn't feel in line with all the other weapons in the game. Sure its something different but in my opinion, in this case, different is bad. 

    I thought about just abusing the hell out of steam blaster every game so new people will seek to find a platform and complain about it, but i don't want to be remembered as a dbag. Instead I guess i just have to TRY HARD every time there's a sweaty steam blaster, which in turn decreases the fun of the game (when i have to try that hard, even against a mediocre stream blaster).  I can usually overcome the steam blaster but it honestly takes an extraordinary effort to do so. I feel bad for those casual players who can do nothing against it, no matter who they pick, but just wants to have fun playing the game. I'm sure it ruins the game for them.

    NERF THE STEAM BLASTER. 

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  • @mikepal19 They should make it so that if you pick Steam Blaster your warps are limited to one and not three. (I'm not being serious this would nerf it too much). Part of why everyone hates it is because of how obnoxious it is. Popcap spend so much time making these things, that characters are delayed and there's less programming time for other things. The leaked soldier one looks nice and simple, I don't know why they make these obnoxious looking upgrades. Imagine Space Cadet's, she'll probably be able to summon rocks from space and spin them around in a homing tornado and move at 300% speed or something crazy like that. People generally don't like playing against that sort of stuff. Tone it down please, for your sake and for ours.
  • @lookininNice post. I honestly agree, I'm not a fan of the "nerf it to the ground" bandwagon. Still, a strong amount of players dislike the Steam Blaster, and it isn't wise to make controversial stuff like this. The main point though, is that a team of mediocre players use the Steam Blaster and can decimate lower health classes, right? But that's how it is for most shooters, right? If you're really good, you'll still do really good, if you're bad, you'll do bad, if you're mediocre and don't have good aim then you can use something easier to aim that requires less skill and you'll do better. With all the complaints about Steam Blaster you'd think you'd see the same amount of complaints about classes like Peashooter and Action Hero, trust me I've felt destroyed after going up against teams of competent Peashooter players. That doesn't mean Steam Blaster isn't a problem though, I still think the Warps should be reduced to 2 when using the Upgrade and the range should be reduced slightly for it to be truly balanced. But at the same time, I think Peashooter should definitely be nerfed too. He should only do 30 damage per shot.

    If there's anything that I firmly believe in balance-wise, it's that Grody Goop shouldn't be that strong, lol.

  • Iron_Guard8's avatar
    Iron_Guard8
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    6 years ago

    I've not used it in PvP, only in PvE as it's just too good right now. Having it used against you is one of the most frustrating things to deal with in the game and people are obviously trying to play zombies in PvP just to avoid the thing, and it's even worse now with the Brainium Basher as well.

  • @shurikeninja Lol I'm part of the nerf it to the ground group because I'm sick of zombies getting much better legendary upgrades, on top of zombies already being a better overall group. Not fair. 

    Both the plant legendary upgrades are arguably underpowered. I don't really use either because I would rather equip different upgrades that I think are much better.  I don't really use steam because it's generally UNFAIR. I've never felt more like a scum bag using this "variant" than any other character in any of the pvz games. That statement is subjective but its also my experience. 


  • @lookinin wrote:

    I've been following the threads about Steam Blaster. First of all, I respect all the opinions, advice and expertise in this forum, its' very valuable and informative.  But one of the common complaints I read in these threads is that the Devs don't care or aren't listening. So I would like to offer some perspective regarding complaints about Steam Blaster:

    At the end of October there were about 200,000 players of this game, for PS4 ONLY.  As of July 5, there were 1,400,000 players. Not playing all at once, of course. Between June 5 and July 5,  100,000 players were added to the game on PS4. I found these stats at Gamstat.com. It says Xbox has about the same - 1.4 million players. I couldn't find any stats on PC.

    There are about 15 topics in the Forums with Steam Blaster as the topic that I could find with about 200 replies. I consider the replies as someone engaged in the topic. There were about 8,000 views but I don't consider views as necessarily engagement. The point being, looking at the strong upward trend in new players since the game launched, the game is successful or at least trending that way. So as far as the  Devs are concerned, they're  doing the right thing. Why would they change course because of a minority (less that .5% including views, .01% with replies) of player's  opinions, many of which come from the same forum members (I'm aware there's stuff going on in Twitter and Reddit but I doubt if it would change the percentage that much).

    yes, that's correct but you also can't sample 100 perfect of the player base. I understand you can't extrapolate the 0.01% to the whole community but you can't also ignore that the overwhelming majority of "vocal" community that took time to voice their opinions. It seems pretty unanimous. Almost all the people I asked who I met online about steam blaster agree. I've even got unsolicited comments about it saying how unfair it is. My wife who isn't part of the 0.01% also hates playing against it and says there's really nothing she can do about it. My nephews (both 11 years old) and 2 of their online buddies said the same thing. My 2 other nephews who are 6 and 5 (i think lol) when they play on my account asked me what they can do against it.  I tell them run because they won't understand what i tell them or they don't have the hand eye coordination yet.  Now they are constantly trying to switch teams anytime they go against a steam blaster so they don't have to go against it lol.  So while only 0.01% were vocal with their opinions, I would wager that the majority of the non vocal players share, to a greater degree, the opinions of people on this board.  (No way to prove that, obviously, but from my experiencing talking to people randomly, more than 90 percent of people)

    I'm sure they do listen but I'm also sure they have their own metrics which aid them in their decision making. 

    true I'm sure they have all the stats, that's why when people feel like they don't listen, the devs are usually justified in their decisions. For the most part, I think the devs are doing a great job. 

    That said, I've been following the performance of Steam Blaster for the last couple of weeks and I have yet to see him listed as Vanquish Master on the leader-board - he's always on the leader board as Revive/Healing Master, as it should be.

    You're right, he's not often vanquish master but he is always near the top in kill. But you will see him as vanquish master maybe 10-20x more than sunflower. And he is heal master, more than sunflower also. Sunflower is better at keeping 1 player alive but scientist as a whole heals more (points-wise).

    That doesn't mean players don't have bad experience with gangs of Steam Blasters. but I've been in games with gangs of Engineers & Heavy Helpers stopping a game cold.

    engineer is another topic of discussion that's similar to stream blaster, how braindead his game play is and how to nerf it. 

    It happens. There's also this critique that it elevates mediocre players. I don't see anything wrong with that.

    its the fact that it unproportionately elevates them. That's usually a definition of overpowered, i.e. taking much less skill to use to same or higher feats as comparable weapons. I do like things that can elevate "mediocre" players but not to the point where it FRUSTRATES the other half of the player base. 

    Skilled players can also dominate a game and leave lesser skilled players frustrated. I was in a game recently where a Cactus had 52 vanquishes

    Bit of a false equivalency here, but skilled players usually dominate unskilled players. As a result the unskilled player gets frustrated and gets skilled enough to not be dominated.

    Kudos to whoever it was but it didn't feel good playing against him. It's just part of the game and I move on. 

    Anyway, if you read this thank you


    Overall great post and insight.  We obviously disagree on some points but that's why we're on this board! 

  • lookinin's avatar
    lookinin
    6 years ago

    @shurikeninja  I agree. You're exactly right IMO. And there's a lot of unintended and unforeseen consequences to a buff or nerf - it's complex balancing and juggling act at the same time. It really needs constant adjustments.   I'm assuming there's a balance update coming, some month or year in the future.  I guess it's time to move on from Scientist anyway. He was one of my favorites in GWII, but underwhelming initially, to me anyway, in BFN.  Time to try the Chomper 🙂 🙂

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