(I know there has been a thread on this but sorry can't seem to find it so posting a new one :/ )Holy cow this character needs help. I've played through to Super Elite recently as my continued quest to get all to Master, but find him so underpowered. Primary Weapon is weak and high precision needed.Shield is useful for objectives but you can't shoot or do anything, just sit and wait for it to break and then die.Navel Laser, good damage but like threading a needle to hit anyone. Also you can't shield so sitting duck.Spin Dash takes too long to activate, meaning useless in middle of fight (contrast with All Star dash which you can use mid fight).EMPeach is an average ability.How on Earth are you meant to do well with this character?I've played several hours with them all now and I think Citron needs the most help in the next balancing. Or maybe I just don't know how to play him? I struggle with them all at first but eventually it clicks and I do well.. not happening for our orangey pal so far.

https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Citron-Feedback-Needs-to-be-reworked-warning-this-is-very/m-p/8510830#M9364@34975634954957 you’re absolutely correct... the only way to play Citron is cowardly to be effective against most formidable teams. Roll, roll, roll, dash, roll, etc...EDIT: @GutmanSca sorry - didn’t read your reply till I replied to the first post.I understand your perspective but even playing Battle Arena, Citron is one of the lesser used characters for a reason; he isn’t even good at shielding in most modes outside of TT and in BA specifically, his shielding is near useless compared to All Star.... you can’t shield all angles the same. I’m not saying he needs to be able to tank people with a godlike naval laser again but his shield could be made to mimic an encompassing protection much like All Star and then he (Citron) would play like the tank he was intended to be? Right now, he can’t shield, he can’t shoot, his laser is no good outside of 1v1 (minus funnel points in TT/playing from afar), and all he can do is roll more freely than other characters. I agree he doesn’t need to be a 1 stop shop. 😊👍

I disagree whole heartedly with shielding and firing for Citron unless other major nerfs are applied (to dash of 50% or more).The problem with Naval Laser isn’t the damage or firing concept that needs work, it’s the ability to end the laser, if you’re exposed to incoming enemy fire.Just my two cents but giving Citron the ability to ONE SHOT characters (with dash) ... is bad enough... give them the ability to dash and then throw up a shield during Naval Laser? There goes Soldier, Scientist, Pirate, and most likely all other characters caught off guard by the inaudible dash.I think more people need to play Battle Aren and Team Vanquish to truly understand the balance of these characters. Sure a little drop off is needed for some but speaking for Citron, solely, he’s very near being at a good point I just don’t think shielding while shooting is the answer ( @realitysquared ) ...

@TheSprinter85That’s exactly it- for character clearly designed to be able to shield others the shield he’s been given just isn’t capable of taking enough punishment in a PvP match which leaves you feeling ineffective when you try to play him according to his role.

Spin dash is just sprint tackle if it had counterplay. It's definitely much easier to duke as it has a little spin animation + sound effect to warn people it's coming. I don't think its really underpowered. if anything its citrons only good feature. it's his main source of damage output. his juice cannon cannot get kills (against competent players) without landing spin dash. If his juice cannon does get a damage or fire rate buff, I do see spin dash's damage being nerfed a bit. For this current patch that we are in tho, it's all he's got. (It actually did less damage while also taking longer to activate in garden warfare 2. Bfn spin dash is a direct improvement from gw2 spin dash).I have already seen far too many people play citron completely wrong. too many people stand still and shield and use naval laser during fights. they're all Christmas noobs but the game has done nothing to teach them how citron works. so they shield, then die, without contributing much to the team, then eventually switch to an easier, more unga bunga character like sunflower or snapdragon (who are straightforward and simple to get the hang of). Most cases, I don't think its the player's fault. it's kinda the citron's fault for being so "wonky". something needs to be done about the peel shield and naval laser. the naval laser is barely useful ever. primary fire is more reliable than it. it's on a fairly long cooldown and punishes the citron for using it (makes him much MUCH easier to hit as he cant shield or jump. He also cant even aim the thing. can only hipfire it for some unknown reason). The peel shield reduces his movement speed alot. protects a decently average area in front of his face a bit, but only for a short while when under fire. and gives him ammo for soaking damage. The peel shields existence has made it so Citron cannot aim. he can only hipfire. Implying he would be most effective at close range. Which is true, but literally every single other character in this game (except maybe super brainz, who sucks at all ranges atm), is effective at close and long-range. Even Imp, who was once a close range trigger happy midget john wick, has now become the sniper from team fortress 2. Every single character (except super brainz cuz bad hit detection) is a dps machine. Citron cannot fight anyone long range. he has to get up close. everyone else tho (except scientist and sb) have the freedom of high dps across the map. Even in close range Citron barely gets by with his damage. Heavily relying on spin dash, empeach and his sprint to win fights. They seriously need to consider making naval laser synergise with the rest of his entire character. having a noodle beam that hits barely any damage in a micro-sized hitbox does not work with his close-range juice cannon, peel shield, empeach and spin dash. Even with juiced the projectile size of naval laser is pitiful. it needed to be bigger. They need to rework/ replace naval laser badly. Peel shield needs to be bigger and maybe give a movement speed buff (super brainz gets a move speed buff for pushing forward with the shield, maybe citron could get movement speed buff while strafing left and right or moving backwards with the shield). he goes from the super agile bouncing ball, to a sluggish wall slowly pacing around soaking damage.For playing him, all I can recommend is- that you use his ball form as much as you can (more than peel shield). treat sprint like an ability. jump constantly. jump directly over peoples heads to throw off their aim. Citrons sprint is amazingly good.spam spin dash and empeach off cooldown aswell. even if you yourself arent in a fight, if you see a fight in the distance, chuck an empeach over to help the plant(s) in that area.NEVER USE NAVAL LASER EVER. Pretend its not there honestly. dont ever think about using it. it only reveals where you are and makes you extremely vulnerable to all attacks. the damage it does along with its terrible projectile size make it not worth using at all.

Most good players are hard to kill as citron...shield until emp reloads then rinse repeat or run away...I agree naval laser is useless now but this char if anything needs a shield nerf still.

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spIash_damage
6 years ago
@ippig wrote:
@spIash_damageWhat damage is dash dealing? I never had the feeling of it being op. Compared to All Star Citron is just a bad joke. I know that it is hard to compare certain classes due to different abilities but Citron is not near being somewhat op. I would not mind to shield Naval Laser without any nerfs. There is a reason why nobody wants to play Citron.
Edit: damaging the shield while Naval Laser is active could reduce the Lasers duration.
The dash deals 75 hp now (one shot Imps).
Agreed but a proficient upgrade to his shield would change that (comparing Citron to All Star).
I just need to make a video of the potential of Citron. Team play is more vital in BA than most any mode I’ve played in any game and that’s what’s caused me to realize the power of Citron (as is). I can attack or support with him.

EDIT: @realitysquared the ability to pull up shield/cancel laser would be a good place to start. I just saw your reply.
spIash_damage
6 years ago
@34975634954957 wrote:
@spIash_damage wrote:
@PineapplePiano wrote:
@GutmanScaI understand your frustration but please watch your language, this is a public forum and a safe place to give helpful feedback about the game. 🙂
I think you might have overthought or personalizes his reply. gutman is usually nice and might not be American; can’t remember.
I don't know gutman personally and sure he is a nice guy. I did find his response a little disrespectful in this instance. Not a big deal of course and soon forgotten. No beef. But thought i should post this reply to respect pineapple for calling it out my behalf. Appreciated.
That’s understandable but community managers prefer to handle these issues (I don’t even call people out publicly or handle these issues personally).
PineapplePiano
6 years ago
@spIash_damage You're right, it wasn't really my place to call him out like that, was having a rough day when I wrote it 🙂
TheSprinter85
Hero
6 years ago
You know what would be interesting to give as an upgrade to Citron?
Giving him an Upgrade that allows him to use his primary weapon while shielding. If so, it could cost 5 upgrade points (or possibly even more) and you would still have to hold the shield button for it to work, as well as the shield can still be killed and have to wait for it to recharge. It would encourage more people to use the shield for themselves and their allies, and can provide some cover fire. Sunflower can also do the same - she can heal people, while providing cover fire. Why can't Citron? The developers should also an upgrade for Scientist which allows him to shoot while healing. It makes sense, doesn't it? 🙂
chogath_player
6 years ago
@TheSprinter85letting him shoot with the shield up might make him op. every time you want to 1v1 a citron you would have to punch through a 400 hp shield and tank his stun while he is shooting you. doesn't sound fun to fight imo. if it cost 7 upgrade points and made the shield have 1/2 hp it might be fine.
TheSprinter85
Hero
6 years ago
@chogath_player Perhaps if his Primary Weapon did less damage at further ranges, it wouldn't be too overpowered, but I have to understand and agree with your point! 🙂

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