Hi everyone, First off, as I am new here, let me start by saying that I really enjoy the game and hope to see it grow ! I already started discussing this with other players on forums and many agree that weed spray is an unbalanced card. We are talking about a mere board clear as cheap as 3 brains, without any drawback contrary to Doom shroom that costs 5 suns and kills your own plants. I feel like this game needs some rebalancing in general but the comparison between these two cards is so ridiculous that I felt like starting a discussion about this. Someone compared Weed Spray to The Chickening and stated that this card was a bit too powerful as well. I disagree because it costs 4 and only does 2 damages. At turn 4+, most of our plants will have more than 2 health points. In general, plants tend to have more hp than strength, that's why they can take Chickening and not weed spray. Destroying all plants on the board for 3 is way too easy and not tactical in my opinion. What do you guys think ?

You all have to learn not to play cards because you can... You also need to learn that some decks are counters to others. You're not going to win every game.Can it wipe a board? Sure, if you play cards just to fill the board before turn 3. You sometimes have to bait the card. If on turn 3 you have two under 2 damage minions on the board and they pass their minion phase... DON'T PLAY ANOTHER SUB 2 MINION! Either a) they'll get rid of just a couple leaving you with plenty of cards to recover, or b) they'll hold off on using it, wasting a turn.Another thing to remember, you don't balance competitive games to the weakest decks, you balance then to the strongest.I'm an exclusively plant player... Just under 50... Still climbing. While i may seem smug, it gets tiring telling people to change their decks and strategies to match the game, not change the game to match their strategies.Weed spray is certainly not op. If you're going to play all sub 2 damage cards and fill your lanes, knowing the card is out there, is it weed sprays fault or yours if it wipes you out?

I have to agree with daalnni on this one. There are various cards in the game that are difficult to deal with. See a Repeat moss, Sargeant strawberry, Blooming heart, Snowdrop on the field? You had better get rid of them or the game could be over in a hurry. My point is you can make a case of OP for quite a few cards. After playing for a while I believe the key is to learn which cards characters have at their disposal and try to guess what they are going to play next. As a primarily plant player, I know there are four zombies that can play weed spray. You see weed spray typically earlier in the game. The key for me is when you see one of those zombie heros saving three brains for tricks, expect it and play around it. If they are saving three brains for tricks more likely than not they won't have a full board themselves so don't load it up for them to destroy. Secondly, build decks that they will struggle eliminating. Think they may be about to drop weed spray? Play poison ivy, poison mushroom, bonk choy, berry angry, fire peashooter, sportacus, cattail, blooming heart in round one or two, mixed nuts and vanilla. All of these cards are great ways to combat weed spray. Berry angry is an amazing card early to turn a board full of shroom for twos into something that is going to do some serious damage if all they have to play is weed spray.

I agree. Weed spray should never kill more than two plants at a time. Because of weed spray most fun builds with wall nuts are unplayable.

That was one suggestion I've had as well. Give plants something similar and it helps. I still think it is OP either way. Low cost, near wipeout, if not all destroyed.

@Frulegs wrote:I disagree when you say this card is situational. All the top decks hearty classes I have faced rely on this card at early and mid game to "brainlessly" clear the board!At turn 3 what is the probability to have plants with a strength higher than 3?! None, 0... Very unlikely. So I don't think this card is situational. It would never be unplayable, always have a use and at least kill 1 plant without any drawback. Blooming Heart (1 sun): by turn 3 you can have 3 out that are over 2 damage. Berry Angry (3 sun): gives all plants on board +2 damage Zapricot (3 sun): 4 damage plant Seedling (2 sun): can give a plant that costs up to 6 sun Wild Berry (2 sun): 4 damage Bonk Choy (1 sun): 3 damage on the turn it's played (play it turn 3) Pea Pod (1 sun): can be 3 damage by turn 3 if played on turn 1 Black eyed bean (2 sun): can be 3 damage easily by turn 3 against trick heavy opponents Fire Peashooter (2 sun): 3 damage Lily of the Valley (2 sun): played turn 3 will make almost any 1 sun plant in the elevated lane survive Fertilize (3 sun): give a plant +3/+3 Muscle sprout (3 sun): 3 damage Snowdrop (1 sun): gets +2/+2 when a zombie is frozen... which can be done for 1 sun Cattail (3 sun): 3 damage Rescue Radish (3 sun): 3 damage Sportacus (3 sun): 3 damage Vanilla (3 sun): 3 damage Seems a bit better than zero chance... on top of straight up play options to beat weedspray turn 3 potato mine will do two damage to a zombie in the lane when destroyed... making weedspray helpful with smart play Hot date will move a zombie to the lane before being destroyed by it, and do 3 damage Pear Cub is a 3 cost 1/1 that when destroyed puts a 5/4 out in it's place and is amphibious... meaning play it on the water lane if you think they'll play weedspray... a 5/4 on water is not easily taken care of early game Just because you choose not to play these options doesn't mean they aren't there or that a card is overpowered. and the drawback to killing one "2 damage" card for 3 brains, is it cost you 3 brains to kill one "2 damage" card... so turn 3 they kill one of your 3 plants and can't play anything else? sounds like a good trade off to me.

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EA_Andy
EA Staff (Retired)
9 years ago
Hey @Frulegs

Welcome, I'm glad you're enjoying the game.

It's some interesting feedback that we will get to the PvZ team. Would be good to hear from anyone else that has thoughts on this too.

- Andy -
Anonymous
9 years ago
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It CAN be devastating to beginner decks. But like a lot of cards in this game, it is only useful in certain situations. There's a trade-off. Some cards are very powerful in some situations, but useless in others. While some cards are much less powerful, but useful in most situations.

Personally, I don't have much use for weed spray. I only have it in one or two decks.
Anonymous
9 years ago
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Thanks for the answer Andy, I hope the devs consider this!
Anonymous
9 years ago
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I disagree when you say this card is situational. All the top decks hearty classes I have faced rely on this card at early and mid game to "brainlessly" clear the board!
At turn 3 what is the probability to have plants with a strength higher than 3?! None, 0... Very unlikely. So I don't think this card is situational. It would never be unplayable, always have a use and at least kill 1 plant without any drawback.

Just compare it to Doom Shroom and you'll see what I mean by Situational.

Weed spray on its own destroys guardian class's strategy which consists in building a wall of plants with high health and low strength with team up... This is way too much power in a single card for 3 brains.
I've looked for ways to protect my plants against this plague, but it's impossible at early game or mid game I need at least 6 suns to put my plants in a safe spot with Berry Angry and Spine Apple. Plants strength buff cards are extremely limited. Only Spudow has some available but the likeliness of getting them in your hand to save your plants is very low. The fact that draw cards are even more limited for plants doesn't help either.

Try to grind stars with a guardian plant deck and let me me know if you still think this card is not unbalanced. Otherwise I hope you reconsider
Anonymous
9 years ago
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I've never had an issue with the weed spray. Does it clear your board? Sometimes. But I don't see the issue. The weed spray really is to help remove those wallnuts which are a pain to get through.

I also believe that weed spray only destroys 2 damage and below, not 3.

When I have it in my deck, I don't find a huge use for it to be honest.
Anonymous
9 years ago
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Of course if you are playing Zombies and wondering whether it is an issue or not it doesn't make much sense.
It sounds rather biased and does not bring anything constructive to the discussion.

I feel like most players use Zombies anyways. So my point of view will only be shared by a minority.
However, I'm pretty sure EA can look through their stats if they have - I hope they do - and easily determine without bias whether Weed Spray is too good or not.
Anonymous
9 years ago
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Weed Spray is balanced in my opinion. Zombies need something to counter all the Wallnuts and such. Especially if they play steel magnolia giving them +2 health, its hard to get through. Sometimes you just gotta play around Weed Spray and not spam low attack plants before/and on turn 3.
Anonymous
9 years ago
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Yeah, Weed Spray is needed for the Guardian decks.
Anonymous
9 years ago
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I agree. For only 3 brains you get - ALL plants 2 strength and below cleared (this can wipe out the entire plants board esp for guardians) - no prevention or defence - no similar card for plants (doom shroom is not the same) - no strategy or synergy needed to build up to this, just one low brain card to play.

The Chickening is pretty rough too but it is 4 brains and 2 damage that some plants can weather.

I like playing zombies too and don't feel there is a card that comes close to this nuke option. It honestly makes me want to stop playing plants.

That said, I really enjoy the game otherwise. Thanks
Anonymous
9 years ago
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Hi, i think weed spray is very very balanced.. Because you need use it to face guardian deck with high health nut, and it is not use when you play late game..

I think the solution is, pvz team make a weed spray from plant side, so it can counter deadly zombies with almost 2 strenght like barrel imp, or smelly zombies..

Weedspray from both sides plant and zombies is the solution i think, what do you think anyone???

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