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While the films are indefensible garbage, and I would like them to be erased. I doubt that would happen unless someone buys Star Wars off of Disney and realistically I know that very likely won't happen.
The first mistake was Disney owning Star Wars, the 2nd and 3rd mistake was letting J.J and Rian create films for the franchise. J.J is a hack who can't do anything more than vista shots, one-liners and macguffins. Rian is just a self-admitted selfish person who made the film just for him, hence the WW2 fetish in TLJ and he has the most basic understanding of what 'subverting expectations' is. The triology itself was a mishandled hot mess, that neither the actors or diectors will defend, with so much production hell going on behind the scenes it boggles my mind when people try to defend these movies.
Back to Disney, I would love for Star Wars to be out of there hands, so that SW isn't owned by a racist, homophobic company. Every display of race, sexuality and gender has been little more than tokenism, even Rey despite being the MC for 3 films barely has any character and they made her a Mary Sue probably to avoid any allegations of sexism, while they spend a trilogy not developing her, hence why the only thing anyone working on the project could say about her was 'WOMAN!'. Then they included a blink and you'll miss is Lesbian kiss, because 2 women kissing is more socially acceptable than 2 men kissing, heaven forbid. But THEN they go ahead and CUT that kiss out for many international markets, ones which ARE homophobic, to the point of imprisoning and even murdering gay people. THAT is who Disney is catering too. And do I even need to mention how Disney lightening Finn's skin and shrunk him waaaaaaay down on their posters for China?
Disney has quite a bigoted history and they haven't changed.
I personally don't think the sequel trilogy is garbage, I love The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi - are they perfect? No, but no movie is and for me, they are 100% in the top 3 movies in the saga. I found The Rise of Skywalker to be a little disappointing and isn't one of my favorite Star Wars movies for a variety of reasons, but I find it fun and enjoy it anyway.
I gave you the XP because I thought you made a good point about Rey and Disney's sexism/racism/homophobia. Even though I enjoy the movies, especially after TRoS it's so clear to me that they failed her character in some crucial ways (though I don't think she's a Mary Sue, personally). Ultimately: who Rey is doesn't matter, not even a little bit. Her entire story is about who her parents were and her interactions with Luke and Kylo, not about her. She is only seen with her own lightsaber for a few seconds at the end of the last movie, and she never actually defeats Palpatine or accomplishes anything because the movie was too busy paying homage to other characters and replaying old memories than it was creating new ones.
And yes, the lesbian kiss felt a little like a consolation prize - I say that as a lesbian :P It would have been great to see Poe and Finn together on screen, just as it would have been nice to see Elsa with a girlfriend in Frozen II. Disney keep having opportunities to include gay characters in a way which would be so good but they aren't using them and it's frustrating :P
So I disagree with you on a few things, but thank you for being a good person 🙂
- 6 years ago
@GeneralXIV wrote:
And yes, the lesbian kiss felt a little like a consolation prize - I say that as a lesbian :P It would have been great to see Poe and Finn together on screen, just as it would have been nice to see Elsa with a girlfriend in Frozen II. Disney keep having opportunities to include gay characters in a way which would be so good but they aren't using them and it's frustrating :POr they could try to make a film without overt virtue signalling, and people could stop making people just because they’re not obviously straight, when there’s no reason to bring their sexuality into it at all.
Everyone was celebrating at the end of TROS but in the whole group, there was only one kiss, and it was between two women? That’s not writing a good scene. A good scene would have had lots of people kissing (though not all at once - that would be weird). Having only one kiss is them saying “look at us - we’re progressive so we put lesbians in”.
Same goes for Poe and Finn - no reason to think they’re gay, and no reason to make them gay, or straight, or anything. Their sexualities, whatever they are, are irrelevant. Why can’t they just be friends? Sex doesn’t have to come into it. Both have interactions with women that could hint at interest in women too, but that’s still a case of “who cares?”
- 6 years ago
@GeneralXIV The kiss was more like a slap in the face to be honest, they advertise it on the net on every news site but it was a tertiary character kissing a background one. The minimum of effort they could have done to be called an "effort" and they even erased it in certain countries. Just a pr move, lgbtq+ rights but only when we don't lose money. Like you said we needed Poe and Finn it made so much sense, they were so close and the look Poe gace Finn in TFA when he gives the jacket to Finn says everything. x)
Also a shame for Elsa but it's Disney in their movies that are the most aimed at kids, I don't expect anything at this level. I mean it was "bold" of them to not have the queen be the baddy of the movie in Frozen in 2013 so queer representation is years away (let's hope for Frozen III at the end of this decade lol).
Also op you are too guillable, those sites and youtubers just want your clicks. They would never cancel the sequels as long as they own the rights of the licence. They will focus on the golden egg the OT and a bit the Prequels because they are cashing in more, maybe time to time the sequels but it will be anecdotal. Please use your critical thinking more or at least don't start such a heated subject in the forums, nothing good ever comes out of those trilogies wars. Let's just all enjoy Star Wars, ignore what we don't like and accept we all have preferences on the matter.
- EA_Atic6 years ago
DICE Team
Hello there,I have had to clean this topic a fair bit and will be closing the topic down for off-topic conversation and stop any further derailing./Atic
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